Tard Question of The Day: will the Theory of Every

When the Theory of Everything is discovered, will we be able to find within it an equation that describes consciousness?

If not, shouldn't The Theory of Everything be renamed The Theory of a Few Things? Phone Post 3.0

What's the difference? Everything and a few things are only separated by their difference and the distance between them is largely determined by perspective. Since perspective is determined by the lens through which we view the data we should be determined to eliminate those with lenses different than our own.

The Theory of Everything would describe all the fundamental forces of nature; weak nuclear force, strong nuclear force, electromagnetic force, and gravity.

I don't think consciousness is considered a force of the universe.

I think that consciousness has the potential to be the most powerful force in the universe, though it may not be a fundamental force (certainly not one that we can observe in any way), but everything that happens within the universe will be able to be expressed within the Theory of Everything. Mathematical equations will be able to describe everything from the moment the universe came into existence to how planets form to how life comes about.

 

But will there be within it an equation that describes consciousness? It has to, right?

Consciousness is a model used by humans to describe certain biological happenings. It has no fundamental reality itself.

So, no, it does not need to be included.

If it is nothing more than a biological happening, then shouldn't it be able to be expressed mathematically using the ToE?

 

Certainly the question is not "should consciousness be considered the 5th fundamental force?", rather, "will the ToE be able to describe the phenomenon?"

 

 

 

 

Jack Carter -

If it is nothing more than a biological happening, then shouldn't it be able to be expressed mathematically using the ToE?

 

Certainly the question is not "should consciousness be considered the 5th fundamental force?", rather, "will the ToE be able to describe the phenomenon?"

 

 

 

 

If i understand correctly, everything can be put into a mathematical equation Phone Post

If it is nothing more than a biological happening, then shouldn't it be able to be expressed mathematically using the ToE?

Sure. A chemical reaction occurs, an electrical impulse travels along a substance, and another chemical reaction occurs. Done.
That's your biological happening. If you want to aggregate them and then slap a label of "consciousness" on the aggregation, knock yourself out. But, you're not going to find a x+y^z=[consciousness] in math anywhere.
The theory of everything will not describe the rules of football, either. It will account for the spin of the ball and the crack of helmets, but the off-sides rule will not factor into it at all, because like the label of consciousness, it's an arbitrary human construct.

The game of football is basically a construct of consciousness.

What is consciousness a construct of? Phone Post 3.0

Consciousness is, like football, only a label we put on certain aggregations of biological activity. It has no underlying reality.

You can't test for it. You can't reproduce it. You can't measure it. It's even damn tricky to define. At best, you can look at a series of events that involve measurable, definable events with identifiable actors performing reproducable actions, and wave your hand over some portion of the process and say, "Yes, consciousness was in and around here somewhat."

I think at best you can hope for comprehensive information theory to be included in the TOE, but likely anything that would apply to the human activities labeled "conscious" would also apply to sufficiently well-programmed computers.