STAY OFF THE FENCE...
bj will win the standup and gsp will have a hard time taking bj down in the open octagon...so he will resort to randy couture tactics, grinding bj against the cage, wearing him down and looking for the double leg slam using the cage as an aid (thats why the ring is better)...
so if bj wants to win, he better keep his back off the cage
http://themmafiend.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/bjscrazytakedowndefense.gif
GSP has been really good at getting guys backed up and using that to his advantage in getting those shots. He might not have the technique that someone like Fitch does, but he's fast as hell and he leaves people nowhere to go. Good observation.
I disagree. I think BJ shouldn't resist the takedowns so much. Is it safe to say that the guard is BJ's strongest weapon?
I'm not so sure w/o taking GSP out immediately that there is a way BJ will be able to prevent GSP from landing something. I dunno, I just think BJ's most dangerous tool is his guard, but we don't get to see it often because he fights the takedowns tooth and nail. Can you imagine how risky spending up to 5 rounds in BJ's guard can be?
I love this Gif
FWIW, GSP outstruck BJ in the first fight.
The ape technique, puts people down.
That GIF is INSANE. Reminds me of when GSP was defending the takedown against Fitch. Both guys are blessed with world class balance. disbeliever, that Gogo was VERY close.
On the mat, BJ is dangerous, but when's the last time he tapped anyone from within guard? He came pretty close against Hughes, but to my knowledge he's never tapped anyone from his own back in MMA.
He's done a lot more via strikes from the top and strikes while standing.
That's not to say he can't/won't tap GSP from his back or he won't be outstruck...but looking at their histories, I don't think being on his back is where he wants to be. In the UFC, a round where you're on your back for more than 3:00 is also usually a lost cause, too.
i thing BJ should let his go go and just sub GSP from the git go.
Ausgepicht - I disagree. I think BJ shouldn't resist the takedowns so much. Is it safe to say that the guard is BJ's strongest weapon?
bj comes from the gracie jiu jitsu school of bjj...his guard is great but its mostly defensive...how many times have you seen him even attempt submissions off his back?
goku -Ausgepicht - I disagree. I think BJ shouldn't resist the takedowns so much. Is it safe to say that the guard is BJ's strongest weapon?
bj comes from the gracie jiu jitsu school of bjj...his guard is great but its mostly defensive...how many times have you seen him even attempt submissions off his back?
Not because he can't, but because he doesn't want to. Believe.
katsmasher1983 - I disagree bj already lost this fight
i agree 100%. all the talk is him just trying to convince himself that he has a chance. nothing like acting tough and talking crap to cover up your insecurities. in the words of bj himself..."talk is cheap", lol.
GSP via TKO RD1, maybe 2.
goku - comes from the gracie jiu jitsu school of bjj...his guard is great but its mostly defensive...how many times have you seen him even attempt submissions off his back?The gogo attempt on GSP, a triangle and armbar attempt against Pulver in the second fight, and the triangle (I think?) against Hughes in their second fight as well come to mind....I'm sure there are others.....
I think that the only way that B.J. wins this one is if he is somehow able to outbox GSP. Other than that, and Georges gets the stoppage victory.
Domingo - On the mat, BJ is dangerous, but when's the last time he tapped anyone from within guard? He came pretty close against Hughes, but to my knowledge he's never tapped anyone from his own back in MMA.
He's done a lot more via strikes from the top and strikes while standing.
That's not to say he can't/won't tap GSP from his back or he won't be outstruck...but looking at their histories, I don't think being on his back is where he wants to be. In the UFC, a round where you're on your back for more than 3:00 is also usually a lost cause, too.
Everybody always says BJ has no submission game off his back, but that's just crazy when you think about it. Just because he doesn't like to go for risky submissions off his back doesn't mean he can't do them. Despite not having a submission from his guard on his record, he's had some near submission attempts that often times set up a sweep.
Also, how many people have even had BJ on his back? Hardly any and none of them were able to do any damage, Matt Hughes fight aside when he injured his rib. That right there should tell you his guard is sick. He simply doesn't go for crazy submissions like Aoki and sacrifice position. He still has a very good high guard and butterfly guard that he uses to sweep or push his opponents off to stand back up. BJ's game is to get dominant positions before going for submissions, so you won't see flashy submissions from him because that's not his style of BJJ.
Fact of the matter is BJ on his back is still going to be dangerous. If BJ gets on top, I see GSP getting destroyed. BJ's passing skills is crazy good and I don't see GSP being able to get him off.
I never said he had no submission game, but I still think he won't go out there looking to be on his back. He's never tapped anyone from there, and in the UFC a takedown can VERY easily = a winning round.
...grinding bj against the cage
wtf pics?
im pretty sure bj did not try to sub hughes off his back..he basically went for a "sweep" and thats how he got hughes in the armbar/triangle...
the only legitimate time he has had someone in trouble off his back i think was against pulver 5 years ago
"... BJ is the one with the complex he is acting like the first fight never happened."
LOL. You are insane. The main reason Penn wants this fight is because of the first one. He knows he squandered a great opportunity by living the way he did and not coming in with any cardio. Even with that, GSP was completely unable to hurt him. If anything he is VERY confident because despite losing on the scorecards, GSP was way more beat up than BJ was. If anyone has something in the back of their mind its GSP knowing he was unable to do any damage to a completely gassed out, unconditioned, smaller opponent.
The fight could go either way IMO.