The biggest problem with US political system?

 

At this point most bills out of congress pass with mostly/only the support of only one party.

For example ObamaCare passed with almost 100% Dem support and 0% GOP support.  If the recent GOP healthcare bill had came to a vote, 80-90% of GOP would have voted yes while all DEMs would have voted no.

Our process plays too too much to the political wings instead of the moderate center.  Lets be honest - the 10-20% of congress (and the population) on the far right or far left are retarded idiots - probably equally so.

Can we ever get to where legislation is backed by the middle moderate 60% or so?  Any policy embraced by the hard right or hard left is probably bad policy as its usually ideological driven as opposed to a reasonable evidence based policy.

FUCK both the hard left and hard right.  Equally fucking worthless.  

The biggest problem is that everything is paid for, both parties, so people have become disenchanted, both parties.

Kirik -


The biggest problem is that everything is paid for, both parties, so people have become disenchanted, both parties.

definitely a big part of the problem.

not sure if its the biggest though

It's the people. They are the problem. Eliminate them and we have a great system

Kirik - 


The biggest problem is that everything is paid for, both parties, so people have become disenchanted, both parties.



exactly why a third party would make zero difference unless the money problem is fixed.  which it won't be.

Al Cappucino -

It's the people. They are the problem. Eliminate them and we have a great system

I tend to agree

you remember the final scene from Dr. StrangeLove?  Even in the end the same old bullsit came back for potential survivors

actually if we had open primaries - it could help.

the top 2 vote getters (regardless of party) proceed to the final election.

It takes away the power of the retarded idiots, I mean the far left and right.

No its the people 

 

We naturally want to be on teams. People pick a team .

 

Most Trump voters have no idea what they want, what they stand for. They just want to "Punish" the other team,

 

Great foundation to a political party

Zekolas -

No its the people 

 

We naturally want to be on teams. People pick a team .

 

Most Trump voters have no idea what they want, what they stand for. They just want to "Punish" the other team,

 

Great foundation to a political party

agreed but our party system reinforces this outdated tribalism.

perhaps build a system that pushes the other way - open primaries?

Soup and Beer -
Kirik - 


The biggest problem is that everything is paid for, both parties, so people have become disenchanted, both parties.



exactly why a third party would make zero difference unless the money problem is fixed.  which it won't be.

Not as long as you keep electing people who put cons on the surpreme court.

Zekolas -

No its the people 

 

We naturally want to be on teams. People pick a team .

 

Most Trump voters have no idea what they want, what they stand for. They just want to "Punish" the other team,

 

Great foundation to a political party

it didnt used to be this tribalistic, did it?  

Zekolas -

No its the people 

 

We naturally want to be on teams. People pick a team .

 

Most Trump voters have no idea what they want, what they stand for. They just want to "Punish" the other team,

 

Great foundation to a political party

You prove a great point. In a thread to discuss about the entire political system, and you can't help but show your "team colors' and how much you hate the other.

 

People like you will always be part of the problem, never a part of the solution.

Ari2 - 
Soup and Beer -
Kirik - 


The biggest problem is that everything is paid for, both parties, so people have become disenchanted, both parties.



exactly why a third party would make zero difference unless the money problem is fixed.  which it won't be.

Not as long as you keep electing people who put cons on the surpreme court.


The Supreme Court is a sham.  A group of people using their political affiliations to influence decisions instead of interpretting the Constitution.  And that's on both sides.

Open primaries, term limits on senators and representatives, donation limits... best starting point.

In both parties, compromise or bipartisanship is viewed as weakness.  Also, everyone expects to get 100% of what they want in any bill and if they don't get that 100% they won't support it at all... rather than suggesting alternatives or changes we just hear how shitty it is.

mixedmartialfarts -


In both parties, compromise or bipartisanship is viewed as weakness.  Also, everyone expects to get 100% of what they want in any bill and if they don't get that 100% they won't support it at all... rather than suggesting alternatives or changes we just hear how shitty it is.

that is well describes what is so fucked up with the current system

it rewards retarded ideologues on both sides

1) people that vote bc of a D or an R.

2) term limits. a majoity of politicians need to hang it up and even kill themselves.

Someone posted an infographic here once of bi-partisan bills per congress since the War. In the old days there was a lot of things where both parties voted in favour. Over the years you could see the number dropping until today when its completely polarised

PeoriaBJJ - 


1) people that vote bc of a D or an R.



2) term limits. a majoity of politicians need to hang it up and even kill themselves.


1 is a problem.

Uneducated voters, who aren't aware of data supporting or refuting policies being advocated, is a bigger problem than 2.

1-Money in politics

2-Two way only party system.