robert bentley -
You make a lot of good points re: the right to criticize his show and call out the grifters or fear mongers he's had on. Alex Jones is a steaming pile of refuse that he's had on I believe and I honestly wouldn't mind if that man was never seen on the air ever again.
But just because you personally don't know of people who want to cancel Joe Rogan doesn't mean that there isn't a genuine effort by a fair number of people to do exactly that. The problem (for them) is that Joe generates far too much money to be cancelable (so to speak)
But the problem isn't with free speech in the legal sense of the word, it's with respect to free speech in principle. I'm a "lefty" but one thing I'm adamant about is that the only way to get to the best solutions is to be able to discuss things in a free and open manner, and that the best ideas should win regardless of what affiliation they're associated with.
Cancelling and deplatforming are only one area where the left more often oversteps their bounds. These are ways in which they haven't violated any free speech *laws*, but they've denied people access they otherwise would have had. I'm not talking about private companies like Twitter using fact checkers on the president or banning white supremacists etc. (that's their right); I'm talking about Universities that have *convservative* students as well who have paid their tuition and *should* enjoy the same rights and privileges along with the rest of the students. These conservative (or more often than not - liberal students but not far left enough) students invite someone to speak at their University - something that is and should be allowed to all students. Someone gets wind that Stephen Pinker, Aayan Hirsi Ali, Jordan Peterson, or someone similar (*none* of whom can be dismissed as right wing grifters) and they'll threaten or protest until the speaker gets or the offer rescinded etc.
That is - a group of students really wanted to hear Richard Dawkins talk about evolution, or Jordan Peterson talk about his twelve rules or Maps of Meaning etc; and another group of students said "The mere existence of this person in our University is unbearable, only we should be allowed to invite people".
There is also what this does to conversation among everyone else. There are things I just can't discuss with a lot of my lefty friends because to discuss that thing means you must be evil/fascist/alt-right.
Again - none of this is infringing on anyone's free speech rights; but the atmosphere is toxic.
In contrast - I've had a lot of heated discussions on this platform and with right wing friends of mine on immigration, healthcare, socialism, evolution, - you name it. I was branded "lefty" (well - probably called "Faggot" too etc.) but at no stage did I have to worry about being so horrifically misrepresented that I'd have to defend myself
I think they just end up making Joe even more noteworthy in the end, so it's such a silly waste of time.
Instead, they should try and get someone on his show that can discuss the issues. Joe would 100% be down with that. But a bunch of deadbeat slacktivist teenagers can’t organize themselves to accomplish anything of value beyond hashtags and language policing online. So i don’t know how this bridge gets made.
Clearly Joe is not alt-right, he has plenty of convsersations with left wingers that go just as smoothlty as his ones with Shapiro and the like.
But Joe does tend to fall down the rabbit hole a lot with these manufactured crisis you see play out online… especially the same cultural greivences you see on the OG every day… IE Trans women participating in female sports is something Joe goes on about a lot, and it’s just not the pressing issue that affects millions of people like he thinks it is, and 90% of rational people would agree that some ripped dude with lipstick on shouldn’t be crowned the female winner of the Boston Marathon. We get it. But just by bringing it up all the time he pisses off the trans rights cult on Twitter, and all the headlines read “Joe Rogan in hot water for his “transphobic” comments”, and you can only facepalm at the wasted energy.
"Cancelling and deplatforming are only one area where the left more often oversteps their bounds."
Thing is… it cuts both ways at this point, and if someone owns to their mistakes and makes real effort to change, they can survive the purge. It’s been demonstrated a lot at this point. Cancelling has been weaponized to the limit by ideologs, and if what you did was non-violent and you apologize (Jimmy Kimmel in blackface), you aren’t “cancelled”. Trying to ruin people with fake news insanity because they criticize him is the basis for Trump’s entire political strategy too btw.
I hear you about college campus safe spaces, but I suspect that it’s also outgrown its actual effect on real life. I recall watching Bill Maher go on about it like he loves to do a while ago, and he brought it to the panel of people who spent a lot of their time on college campuses… and they kinda just shrugged it off. Salmon Rushdie said he 100% supports the idea that a college is a place for exchanging ideas, but he’s never really seen what Bill is talking about. I get the feeling there is much more to all of these situations than we ever find out. Like lack of approval from the student’s union is necessary and they didn’t get it, or the group on campus violated other rules in the past. I am just saying I don’t take the anecdots at face value and every school can do what they want.
And guys like Milo were doing college tours for the distinct purpose of inciting drama, and getting footage of “proud boys” fighting “antifa”, and the school’s have the responsibility to cancel something they see as a threat to student safety.
“I just can’t discuss with a lot of my lefty friends because to discuss that thing means you must be evil/fascist/alt-right.”
Ya, a lot of valid progressive stances gets tossed into the groupthink blender and come out as "the Dakota pipeline is genocide. All white settlers must leave now". And even if you argree that the pipeline is dangerous and CO2 emissions are unacceptable, you are a monster for thinking the local economy could really use the boost and the local people should be a part of it.
But I’ve been attacked far more aggressively here than any lefty circles I’ve ever been a part of online or IRL just for not joining the circlejerk. I mean just check out some of these threads here. We’re deep into a real life Turner Diaries in their minds. The culture war is real and they are all-in.