The Left's Mystifying Hatred for Joe Rogan

well, this is really the problem with how guys like molyneux, shapiro, mcinnis, etc. get ahead. uncurious guys accept their bullshit, mostly because of how it is delivered. so i can see how some view it as a problem that rogan offers more opportunity for that.

part of rogan’s shtick is not to accept whatever criticisms exist for guys like that prior to the discussion, and just to respond to them in a normal conversation, and then just toss his hands in the air in the end and say “what the fuck do i know anyway?!” i think whatever disservice he does by giving these guys a platform and not setting it up to be a hard challenge to their bullshit is more than counter balanced by the “regular guy conversation” that he actually has, even if he seems like a doofus a few times normally through the interview.

robert bentley - 

Just seeing the recent news that a bunch of pussies at Spotify are throwing a tantrum because of the Joe Rogan Podcast. 

First of all I wouldn't really Joe as "right wing". He seems to be very much a centrist. Not a centrist in the childish far-left cartoon of "Oh - it's just someone who is okay with half-racism.." or some other such bullshit. Centrist in the sense of "I think it's better to look at each problem on their own and let logic and my own moral compass create the opinion and not have one given to me by a political affiliation"

I would even say he's probably closer to liberal than right wing - but really it's irrelevant.

The greatest sin he seems to have committed is that he has guests on from all walks of life and asks them questions AND lets them answer. You get a lot of interseting conversations and I can almost guarantee that certain generally left wing topics he's probably made more progress making a case to people on the right side of the political aisle than all of Hollywood. In fact. - I'm wondering if part of the antipathy is due to jealousy because of this. 

This reminds me of something I've discovered on social media. I get in heated arguments on occasion, but rarely am I blocked or cut off from those on the right. It happens - but it's relatively rare. I get blocked all the time by lefties though, for simple transgressions like pointing out what a horrible human being Linda Sarsour is, or defending free speech ideas. 

Their frothing at the mouth over Rogan is in reality shooting themselves in the foot. Jesus - half the people he has on there that they qualify as "Far right" are often "Liberal thinker who doesn't have every exact idea and opinion that I do therefore must be Alt-right" - people like Sam Harris, Brett Weinstein, Jordan Peterson etc.

 

Outside of the media, I’ve never heard ANYONE say bad things about Rogan, even Vegans love him. HAHAHa

mdmrules - 
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ryunz - 

Pro abortion

Pro legalisation

Pro same sex marriage

Has advocated open borders

Endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020

That is now considered so far right that you should be muzzled by big tech. Fucking insane

the mob makes no assessment of the totality of your viewpoints, though. the hard left has also made it clear that your intentions don’t matter. all that matters is how your words or actions made somebody feel right now.

if anything liberals need more people like rogan, mahr, harris, etc that talk about issues like real human beings and have the clout to not give a shit about the mob and to outright tell them to fuck off.

liberals need 100x more of them in media, politics, academia, etc.

I agree with most of what you are saying… .but to me he’s a target by the internet’s hard left because, although he brings on interesting and apolitical guests a lot, he also brings on far right scammers and doesn’t challenge the dumb things they say. So he is either knowingly or unknowingly providing a huge platform to their lies, conspiracies, misinformation, and targeted hate of specific groups.

Guys like Stefan Molyneux are professional political grfters spouting easily verifiable lies that go totally unchallenged by Joe, and that is fucking dangerous to society. Radicalized right wing psychopaths do things like shoot up churches and mosques, or go on wild killing sprees in public because they are convinced of an SJW socialist mooslim pedo takeover of western society. They get those ideas from groups that Joe pretends are just good guys who are misunderstood.

It is infuriating to to some people to watch him bring on Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnis and pretend there is no legtimate problem about their rhetoric, despite the violence carried out in the name of their misinformation, and he will just accept a lot of their bullshit spin and made up stats at face value, or downplay their lies later on when attacked for having them on.

Rogan is not left wing or whatever the right likes to pretend. He’s basically anti-political, and, at most a libertarian in his views. Only modern conservatives believe “politics” are only about the 8 issues Fox News harps on: Guns, abortion, taxes, legalization, gay marriage, etc.

The comparison to Maher is a good one in some respects, and both unfairly eat shit from the far left sometimes, and have accurate critcisms of out-of-touch liberal elites, but Maher and whoever makes up his panel that night would chew Shapiro and Molyneux to pieces for their 6th grade “logic”,“facts” and comebacks. Exactly what happened when Bill brought on Milo. While Rogan would never challenge any of them seriously, Bill and his guests definietly do. That’s the major difference IMO.

How many church shootings do you think Ben Shapiro’s dangerous rhetoric has inspired?

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lol at thinking "the left" hates Joe Rogan. There are people on both sides that would like nothing better than to see Joe burn. People shouldn't be surprised at some employees whining.

mdmrules - 
VirusHoax -
ryunz - 

Pro abortion

Pro legalisation

Pro same sex marriage

Has advocated open borders

Endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020

That is now considered so far right that you should be muzzled by big tech. Fucking insane

the mob makes no assessment of the totality of your viewpoints, though. the hard left has also made it clear that your intentions don’t matter. all that matters is how your words or actions made somebody feel right now.

if anything liberals need more people like rogan, mahr, harris, etc that talk about issues like real human beings and have the clout to not give a shit about the mob and to outright tell them to fuck off.

liberals need 100x more of them in media, politics, academia, etc.

I agree with most of what you are saying… .but to me he’s a target by the internet’s hard left because, although he brings on interesting and apolitical guests a lot, he also brings on far right scammers and doesn’t challenge the dumb things they say. So he is either knowingly or unknowingly providing a huge platform to their lies, conspiracies, misinformation, and targeted hate of specific groups.

Guys like Stefan Molyneux are professional political grfters spouting easily verifiable lies that go totally unchallenged by Joe, and that is fucking dangerous to society. Radicalized right wing psychopaths do things like shoot up churches and mosques, or go on wild killing sprees in public because they are convinced of an SJW socialist mooslim pedo takeover of western society. They get those ideas from groups that Joe pretends are just good guys who are misunderstood.

It is infuriating to to some people to watch him bring on Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnis and pretend there is no legtimate problem about their rhetoric, despite the violence carried out in the name of their misinformation, and he will just accept a lot of their bullshit spin and made up stats at face value, or downplay their lies later on when attacked for having them on.

Rogan is not left wing or whatever the right likes to pretend. He’s basically anti-political, and, at most a libertarian in his views. Only modern conservatives believe “politics” are only about the 8 issues Fox News harps on: Guns, abortion, taxes, legalization, gay marriage, etc.

The comparison to Maher is a good one in some respects, and both unfairly eat shit from the far left sometimes, and have accurate critcisms of out-of-touch liberal elites, but Maher and whoever makes up his panel that night would chew Shapiro and Molyneux to pieces for their 6th grade “logic”,“facts” and comebacks. Exactly what happened when Bill brought on Milo. While Rogan would never challenge any of them seriously, Bill and his guests definietly do. That’s the major difference IMO.

Shapiro has probably really hurt your feelings in the past hasn’t he? Don’t worry poor baby, you’ll get over it

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mdmrules - 
VirusHoax -
ryunz - 

Pro abortion

Pro legalisation

Pro same sex marriage

Has advocated open borders

Endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020

That is now considered so far right that you should be muzzled by big tech. Fucking insane

the mob makes no assessment of the totality of your viewpoints, though. the hard left has also made it clear that your intentions don’t matter. all that matters is how your words or actions made somebody feel right now.

if anything liberals need more people like rogan, mahr, harris, etc that talk about issues like real human beings and have the clout to not give a shit about the mob and to outright tell them to fuck off.

liberals need 100x more of them in media, politics, academia, etc.

I agree with most of what you are saying… .but to me he’s a target by the internet’s hard left because, although he brings on interesting and apolitical guests a lot, he also brings on far right scammers and doesn’t challenge the dumb things they say. So he is either knowingly or unknowingly providing a huge platform to their lies, conspiracies, misinformation, and targeted hate of specific groups.

Guys like Stefan Molyneux are professional political grfters spouting easily verifiable lies that go totally unchallenged by Joe, and that is fucking dangerous to society. Radicalized right wing psychopaths do things like shoot up churches and mosques, or go on wild killing sprees in public because they are convinced of an SJW socialist mooslim pedo takeover of western society. They get those ideas from groups that Joe pretends are just good guys who are misunderstood.

It is infuriating to to some people to watch him bring on Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnis and pretend there is no legtimate problem about their rhetoric, despite the violence carried out in the name of their misinformation, and he will just accept a lot of their bullshit spin and made up stats at face value, or downplay their lies later on when attacked for having them on.

Rogan is not left wing or whatever the right likes to pretend. He’s basically anti-political, and, at most a libertarian in his views. Only modern conservatives believe “politics” are only about the 8 issues Fox News harps on: Guns, abortion, taxes, legalization, gay marriage, etc.

The comparison to Maher is a good one in some respects, and both unfairly eat shit from the far left sometimes, and have accurate critcisms of out-of-touch liberal elites, but Maher and whoever makes up his panel that night would chew Shapiro and Molyneux to pieces for their 6th grade “logic”,“facts” and comebacks. Exactly what happened when Bill brought on Milo. While Rogan would never challenge any of them seriously, Bill and his guests definietly do. That’s the major difference IMO.

How many church shootings do you think Ben Shapiro’s dangerous rhetoric has inspired?

None that I am aware of. But the Quebec mosque shooter was a huge Shapiro fan, and looking back through Shapiro’s rhetoric surrounding muslims in the years and months before the shooting, you can exactly why the shooter was convinced he was saving his friend’s and family’s lives by murdering those Muslim people.

Shapiro spent a lot of his time trying to convince his followers that there are 500 million radicalized muslim terrorists in the world planning to kill you.  An absurd argument on its face that his most hardcore and potentially violent supporters aren’t equiped to fact check on their own.

I hope if I ever do something horrible, you guys tell people what a HUGE Lena Dunham and Brian Stetler fan I am! 

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I hope if I ever do something horrible, you guys tell people what a HUGE Lena Dunham and Brian Stetler fan I am! 

yeah I knew that guy Davefu

he loved women and CNN

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mdmrules - 
GladiatorGannon -
mdmrules - 
VirusHoax -
ryunz - 

Pro abortion

Pro legalisation

Pro same sex marriage

Has advocated open borders

Endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020

That is now considered so far right that you should be muzzled by big tech. Fucking insane

the mob makes no assessment of the totality of your viewpoints, though. the hard left has also made it clear that your intentions don’t matter. all that matters is how your words or actions made somebody feel right now.

if anything liberals need more people like rogan, mahr, harris, etc that talk about issues like real human beings and have the clout to not give a shit about the mob and to outright tell them to fuck off.

liberals need 100x more of them in media, politics, academia, etc.

I agree with most of what you are saying… .but to me he’s a target by the internet’s hard left because, although he brings on interesting and apolitical guests a lot, he also brings on far right scammers and doesn’t challenge the dumb things they say. So he is either knowingly or unknowingly providing a huge platform to their lies, conspiracies, misinformation, and targeted hate of specific groups.

Guys like Stefan Molyneux are professional political grfters spouting easily verifiable lies that go totally unchallenged by Joe, and that is fucking dangerous to society. Radicalized right wing psychopaths do things like shoot up churches and mosques, or go on wild killing sprees in public because they are convinced of an SJW socialist mooslim pedo takeover of western society. They get those ideas from groups that Joe pretends are just good guys who are misunderstood.

It is infuriating to to some people to watch him bring on Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnis and pretend there is no legtimate problem about their rhetoric, despite the violence carried out in the name of their misinformation, and he will just accept a lot of their bullshit spin and made up stats at face value, or downplay their lies later on when attacked for having them on.

Rogan is not left wing or whatever the right likes to pretend. He’s basically anti-political, and, at most a libertarian in his views. Only modern conservatives believe “politics” are only about the 8 issues Fox News harps on: Guns, abortion, taxes, legalization, gay marriage, etc.

The comparison to Maher is a good one in some respects, and both unfairly eat shit from the far left sometimes, and have accurate critcisms of out-of-touch liberal elites, but Maher and whoever makes up his panel that night would chew Shapiro and Molyneux to pieces for their 6th grade “logic”,“facts” and comebacks. Exactly what happened when Bill brought on Milo. While Rogan would never challenge any of them seriously, Bill and his guests definietly do. That’s the major difference IMO.

How many church shootings do you think Ben Shapiro’s dangerous rhetoric has inspired?

None that I am aware of. But the Quebec mosque shooter was a huge Shapiro fan, and looking back through Shapiro’s rhetoric surrounding muslims in the years and months before the shooting, you can exactly why the shooter was convinced he was saving his friend’s and family’s lives by murdering those Muslim people.

Shapiro spent a lot of his time trying to convince his followers that there are 500 million radicalized muslim terrorists in the world planning to kill you.  An absurd argument on its face that his most hardcore and potentially violent supporters aren’t equiped to fact check on their own.

I think this is the wrong approach, and it's the least liberal thing you could do to say people shouldn't be able to discuss their ideas.

Playing the "X person did something bad, but they were a fan of Y, therefore Y is partially responsible and should be censored" Is a horrible path to go on.

I'm not going to pretend there aren't vile things spewed by some who claim to be right wing, however we can't pretend it doesn't come from the entire political spectrum.

I can pull up 100's of tweets from the last few days talking about killing Mitch McConnell, Trump, republicans who vote for a new justice, and threats to start a civil war all from "liberal" people. If one of them commits an act of violence, should we blame any left leaning personalities that potentially inspired them?

It makes me recall the "Music and Video games make people commit violence" argument. It's foolish at best.

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mdmrules - 
GladiatorGannon -
mdmrules - 
VirusHoax -
ryunz - 

Pro abortion

Pro legalisation

Pro same sex marriage

Has advocated open borders

Endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020

That is now considered so far right that you should be muzzled by big tech. Fucking insane

the mob makes no assessment of the totality of your viewpoints, though. the hard left has also made it clear that your intentions don’t matter. all that matters is how your words or actions made somebody feel right now.

if anything liberals need more people like rogan, mahr, harris, etc that talk about issues like real human beings and have the clout to not give a shit about the mob and to outright tell them to fuck off.

liberals need 100x more of them in media, politics, academia, etc.

I agree with most of what you are saying… .but to me he’s a target by the internet’s hard left because, although he brings on interesting and apolitical guests a lot, he also brings on far right scammers and doesn’t challenge the dumb things they say. So he is either knowingly or unknowingly providing a huge platform to their lies, conspiracies, misinformation, and targeted hate of specific groups.

Guys like Stefan Molyneux are professional political grfters spouting easily verifiable lies that go totally unchallenged by Joe, and that is fucking dangerous to society. Radicalized right wing psychopaths do things like shoot up churches and mosques, or go on wild killing sprees in public because they are convinced of an SJW socialist mooslim pedo takeover of western society. They get those ideas from groups that Joe pretends are just good guys who are misunderstood.

It is infuriating to to some people to watch him bring on Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnis and pretend there is no legtimate problem about their rhetoric, despite the violence carried out in the name of their misinformation, and he will just accept a lot of their bullshit spin and made up stats at face value, or downplay their lies later on when attacked for having them on.

Rogan is not left wing or whatever the right likes to pretend. He’s basically anti-political, and, at most a libertarian in his views. Only modern conservatives believe “politics” are only about the 8 issues Fox News harps on: Guns, abortion, taxes, legalization, gay marriage, etc.

The comparison to Maher is a good one in some respects, and both unfairly eat shit from the far left sometimes, and have accurate critcisms of out-of-touch liberal elites, but Maher and whoever makes up his panel that night would chew Shapiro and Molyneux to pieces for their 6th grade “logic”,“facts” and comebacks. Exactly what happened when Bill brought on Milo. While Rogan would never challenge any of them seriously, Bill and his guests definietly do. That’s the major difference IMO.

How many church shootings do you think Ben Shapiro’s dangerous rhetoric has inspired?

None that I am aware of. But the Quebec mosque shooter was a huge Shapiro fan, and looking back through Shapiro’s rhetoric surrounding muslims in the years and months before the shooting, you can exactly why the shooter was convinced he was saving his friend’s and family’s lives by murdering those Muslim people.

Shapiro spent a lot of his time trying to convince his followers that there are 500 million radicalized muslim terrorists in the world planning to kill you.  An absurd argument on its face that his most hardcore and potentially violent supporters aren’t equiped to fact check on their own.

I think this is the wrong approach, and it's the least liberal thing you could do to say people shouldn't be able to discuss their ideas.

Playing the "X person did something bad, but they were a fan of Y, therefore Y is partially responsible and should be censored" Is a horrible path to go on.

I'm not going to pretend there aren't vile things spewed by some who claim to be right wing, however we can't pretend it doesn't come from the entire political spectrum.

I can pull up 100's of tweets from the last few days talking about killing Mitch McConnell, Trump, republicans who vote for a new justice, and threats to start a civil war all from "liberal" people. If one of them commits an act of violence, should we blame any left leaning personalities that potentially inspired them?

It makes me recall the "Music and Video games make people commit violence" argument. It's foolish at best.

No one is saying they shouldn't legally be able to talk. No one is saying Joe shouldn't legally be able to talk with them on his own show. In fact, the act of criticizing Joe for having these guys on is a tacit agreement about the liberal concept of free speech in the first place.

Everyone is allowed to hate whatever someone else says and criticize them for it. That’s free speech.

No one I know if is asking the government to silence Joe or cancel his show. So this idea that the left is anti free speech is sort of ridiculous. It seems to me that the far right wants freedom from the consequences of their speech (open critcism, losing sponsors/supporters, accepting that sometimes crazy people hear what you are saying an act on it in real life) than the far left wants to actually end free speech.

The problem isn’t just a difference of opinion, these guys are lying, fear mongering grifters specifically targeting weak-minded young men and their anxieties about a confusing world they can’t understand.

Joe isn’t using his platform for good by having these guys on, he needs to educate himself on what the critcisms are and quit pretending “free speech” is a valid argument for having Stefan Molyeux on his show promoting his BS, growing his fanbase and making him richer.

And yes, there are crazies on both sides, but the internet has an entire industry of these far right loons promoting conspiracies and lies for their own financial gain. 

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy9hNmQxOTEwL3BvZGNhc3QvcnNz

Check out the Rabbit Hole podcast for an indepth look at gateways into this world that Rogan provides his listeners. 

mdmrules

You make a lot of good points re: the right to criticize his show and call out the grifters or fear mongers he's had on. Alex Jones is a steaming pile of refuse that he's had on I believe and I honestly wouldn't mind if that man was never seen on the air ever again. 

But just because you personally don't know of people who want to cancel Joe Rogan doesn't mean that there isn't a genuine effort by a fair number of people to do exactly that. The problem (for them) is that Joe generates far too much money to be cancelable (so to speak)

But the problem isn't with free speech in the legal sense of the word, it's with respect to free speech in principle. I'm a "lefty" but one thing I'm adamant about is that the only way to get to the best solutions is to be able to discuss things in a free and open manner, and that the best ideas should win regardless of what affiliation they're associated with. 

Cancelling and deplatforming are only one area where the left more often oversteps their bounds. These are ways in which they haven't violated any free speech *laws*, but they've denied people access they otherwise would have had. I'm not talking about private companies like Twitter using fact checkers on the president or banning white supremacists etc. (that's their right); I'm talking about Universities that have *convservative* students as well who have paid their tuition and *should* enjoy the same rights and privileges along with the rest of the students. These conservative (or more often than not - liberal students but not far left enough) students invite someone to speak at their University - something that is and should be allowed to all students. Someone gets wind that Stephen Pinker, Aayan Hirsi Ali, Jordan Peterson, or someone similar (*none* of whom can be dismissed as right wing grifters) and they'll threaten or protest until the speaker gets or the offer rescinded etc.

That is - a group of students really wanted to hear Richard Dawkins talk about evolution, or Jordan Peterson talk about his twelve rules or Maps of Meaning etc; and another group of students said "The mere existence of this person in our University is unbearable, only we should be allowed to invite people". 

There is also what this does to conversation among everyone else. There are things I just can't discuss with a lot of my lefty friends because to discuss that thing means you must be evil/fascist/alt-right. 

Again - none of this is infringing on anyone's free speech rights; but the atmosphere is toxic. 

In contrast - I've had a lot of heated discussions on this platform and with right wing friends of mine on immigration, healthcare, socialism, evolution, - you name it. I was branded "lefty" (well - probably called "Faggot" too etc.) but at no stage did I have to worry about being so horrifically misrepresented that I'd have to defend myself

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Thage -
mdmrules - 
GladiatorGannon -
mdmrules - 
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ryunz - 

Pro abortion

Pro legalisation

Pro same sex marriage

Has advocated open borders

Endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020

That is now considered so far right that you should be muzzled by big tech. Fucking insane

the mob makes no assessment of the totality of your viewpoints, though. the hard left has also made it clear that your intentions don’t matter. all that matters is how your words or actions made somebody feel right now.

if anything liberals need more people like rogan, mahr, harris, etc that talk about issues like real human beings and have the clout to not give a shit about the mob and to outright tell them to fuck off.

liberals need 100x more of them in media, politics, academia, etc.

I agree with most of what you are saying… .but to me he’s a target by the internet’s hard left because, although he brings on interesting and apolitical guests a lot, he also brings on far right scammers and doesn’t challenge the dumb things they say. So he is either knowingly or unknowingly providing a huge platform to their lies, conspiracies, misinformation, and targeted hate of specific groups.

Guys like Stefan Molyneux are professional political grfters spouting easily verifiable lies that go totally unchallenged by Joe, and that is fucking dangerous to society. Radicalized right wing psychopaths do things like shoot up churches and mosques, or go on wild killing sprees in public because they are convinced of an SJW socialist mooslim pedo takeover of western society. They get those ideas from groups that Joe pretends are just good guys who are misunderstood.

It is infuriating to to some people to watch him bring on Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnis and pretend there is no legtimate problem about their rhetoric, despite the violence carried out in the name of their misinformation, and he will just accept a lot of their bullshit spin and made up stats at face value, or downplay their lies later on when attacked for having them on.

Rogan is not left wing or whatever the right likes to pretend. He’s basically anti-political, and, at most a libertarian in his views. Only modern conservatives believe “politics” are only about the 8 issues Fox News harps on: Guns, abortion, taxes, legalization, gay marriage, etc.

The comparison to Maher is a good one in some respects, and both unfairly eat shit from the far left sometimes, and have accurate critcisms of out-of-touch liberal elites, but Maher and whoever makes up his panel that night would chew Shapiro and Molyneux to pieces for their 6th grade “logic”,“facts” and comebacks. Exactly what happened when Bill brought on Milo. While Rogan would never challenge any of them seriously, Bill and his guests definietly do. That’s the major difference IMO.

How many church shootings do you think Ben Shapiro’s dangerous rhetoric has inspired?

None that I am aware of. But the Quebec mosque shooter was a huge Shapiro fan, and looking back through Shapiro’s rhetoric surrounding muslims in the years and months before the shooting, you can exactly why the shooter was convinced he was saving his friend’s and family’s lives by murdering those Muslim people.

Shapiro spent a lot of his time trying to convince his followers that there are 500 million radicalized muslim terrorists in the world planning to kill you.  An absurd argument on its face that his most hardcore and potentially violent supporters aren’t equiped to fact check on their own.

I think this is the wrong approach, and it's the least liberal thing you could do to say people shouldn't be able to discuss their ideas.

Playing the "X person did something bad, but they were a fan of Y, therefore Y is partially responsible and should be censored" Is a horrible path to go on.

I'm not going to pretend there aren't vile things spewed by some who claim to be right wing, however we can't pretend it doesn't come from the entire political spectrum.

I can pull up 100's of tweets from the last few days talking about killing Mitch McConnell, Trump, republicans who vote for a new justice, and threats to start a civil war all from "liberal" people. If one of them commits an act of violence, should we blame any left leaning personalities that potentially inspired them?

It makes me recall the "Music and Video games make people commit violence" argument. It's foolish at best.

No one is saying they shouldn't legally be able to talk. No one is saying Joe shouldn't legally be able to talk with them on his own show. In fact, the act of criticizing Joe for having these guys on is a tacit agreement about the liberal concept of free speech in the first place.

Everyone is allowed to hate whatever someone else says and criticize them for it. That’s free speech.

No one I know if is asking the government to silence Joe or cancel his show. So this idea that the left is anti free speech is sort of ridiculous. It seems to me that the far right wants freedom from the consequences of their speech (open critcism, losing sponsors/supporters, accepting that sometimes crazy people hear what you are saying an act on it in real life) than the far left wants to actually end free speech.

The problem isn’t just a difference of opinion, these guys are lying, fear mongering grifters specifically targeting weak-minded young men and their anxieties about a confusing world they can’t understand.

Joe isn’t using his platform for good by having these guys on, he needs to educate himself on what the critcisms are and quit pretending “free speech” is a valid argument for having Stefan Molyeux on his show promoting his BS, growing his fanbase and making him richer.

And yes, there are crazies on both sides, but the internet has an entire industry of these far right loons promoting conspiracies and lies for their own financial gain. 

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy9hNmQxOTEwL3BvZGNhc3QvcnNz

Check out the Rabbit Hole podcast for an indepth look at gateways into this world that Rogan provides his listeners. 

You’re conflating the guarantees of the First Amendment with the more expansive meaning of free speech. Most would prefer to be protected from angry mobs as well as the gov’t. The left has absolutely pursued an aggresssive position of deplatforming those that won’t follow their orthodoxy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deplatforming#:~:text=Deplatforming%2C%20also%20known%20as%20no,which%20to%20express%20their%20opinion.

Its only a matter of time before the radical left digs up Rogan’s most cancelling skeletons.

RenatoCocopreta - Its only a matter of time before the radical left digs up Rogan's most cancelling skeletons.

They've already tried that. Rogan can't be cancelled because he makes too much money for other people and he has a lot of "fuck you" money himself.

RenatoCocopreta - Its only a matter of time before the radical left digs up Rogan's most cancelling skeletons.

They literally made a collage of him using the n-word, and this was before he got the Spotify deal.

Dude can't get 'cancelled' in the typical sense, since he doesn't need the money and can just put out content independently if need be. He will always get sponsors.

What they can do, as we see with Spotify, is try and suppress his content under an exclusive umbrella.

Personally, I think it’s great for Joe and I hope they make him completely miserable. He claims to be a liberal and he got in bed with these idiots when he definitely didn’t need to, so I hope he enjoys the consequences of his choices. 

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RenatoCocopreta - Its only a matter of time before the radical left digs up Rogan's most cancelling skeletons.

They literally made a collage of him using the n-word, and this was before he got the Spotify deal.

Dude can't get 'cancelled' in the typical sense, since he doesn't need the money and can just put out content independently if need be. He will always get sponsors.

What they can do, as we see with Spotify, is try and suppress his content under an exclusive umbrella.

Nobody forced Joe to sign the Spotify deal. If he wanted to trade the ability to have Alex Jones on for millions of dollars, that was his own decision.

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You make a lot of good points re: the right to criticize his show and call out the grifters or fear mongers he's had on. Alex Jones is a steaming pile of refuse that he's had on I believe and I honestly wouldn't mind if that man was never seen on the air ever again. 

But just because you personally don't know of people who want to cancel Joe Rogan doesn't mean that there isn't a genuine effort by a fair number of people to do exactly that. The problem (for them) is that Joe generates far too much money to be cancelable (so to speak)

But the problem isn't with free speech in the legal sense of the word, it's with respect to free speech in principle. I'm a "lefty" but one thing I'm adamant about is that the only way to get to the best solutions is to be able to discuss things in a free and open manner, and that the best ideas should win regardless of what affiliation they're associated with. 

Cancelling and deplatforming are only one area where the left more often oversteps their bounds. These are ways in which they haven't violated any free speech *laws*, but they've denied people access they otherwise would have had. I'm not talking about private companies like Twitter using fact checkers on the president or banning white supremacists etc. (that's their right); I'm talking about Universities that have *convservative* students as well who have paid their tuition and *should* enjoy the same rights and privileges along with the rest of the students. These conservative (or more often than not - liberal students but not far left enough) students invite someone to speak at their University - something that is and should be allowed to all students. Someone gets wind that Stephen Pinker, Aayan Hirsi Ali, Jordan Peterson, or someone similar (*none* of whom can be dismissed as right wing grifters) and they'll threaten or protest until the speaker gets or the offer rescinded etc.

That is - a group of students really wanted to hear Richard Dawkins talk about evolution, or Jordan Peterson talk about his twelve rules or Maps of Meaning etc; and another group of students said "The mere existence of this person in our University is unbearable, only we should be allowed to invite people". 

There is also what this does to conversation among everyone else. There are things I just can't discuss with a lot of my lefty friends because to discuss that thing means you must be evil/fascist/alt-right. 

Again - none of this is infringing on anyone's free speech rights; but the atmosphere is toxic. 

In contrast - I've had a lot of heated discussions on this platform and with right wing friends of mine on immigration, healthcare, socialism, evolution, - you name it. I was branded "lefty" (well - probably called "Faggot" too etc.) but at no stage did I have to worry about being so horrifically misrepresented that I'd have to defend myself

I think they just end up making Joe even more noteworthy in the end, so it's such a silly waste of time.

Instead, they should try and get someone on his show that can discuss the issues. Joe would 100% be down with that. But a bunch of deadbeat slacktivist teenagers can’t organize themselves to accomplish anything of value beyond hashtags and language policing online. So i don’t know how this bridge gets made.

Clearly Joe is not alt-right, he has plenty of convsersations with left wingers that go just as smoothlty as his ones with Shapiro and the like.

But Joe does tend to fall down the rabbit hole a lot with these manufactured crisis you see play out online… especially the same cultural greivences you see on the OG every day… IE Trans women participating in female sports is something Joe goes on about a lot, and it’s just not the pressing issue that affects millions of people like he thinks it is, and 90% of rational people would agree that some ripped dude with lipstick on shouldn’t be crowned the female winner of the Boston Marathon. We get it. But just by bringing it up all the time he pisses off the trans rights cult on Twitter, and all the headlines read “Joe Rogan in hot water for his “transphobic” comments”, and you can only facepalm at the wasted energy.

"Cancelling and deplatforming are only one area where the left more often oversteps their bounds."

Thing is… it cuts both ways at this point, and if someone owns to their mistakes and makes real effort to change, they can survive the purge. It’s been demonstrated a lot at this point. Cancelling has been weaponized to the limit by ideologs, and if what you did was non-violent and you apologize (Jimmy Kimmel in blackface), you aren’t “cancelled”. Trying to ruin people with fake news insanity because they criticize him is the basis for Trump’s entire political strategy too btw.

I hear you about college campus safe spaces, but I suspect that it’s also outgrown its actual effect on real life. I recall watching Bill Maher go on about it like he loves to do a while ago, and he brought it to the panel of people who spent a lot of their time on college campuses… and they kinda just shrugged it off. Salmon Rushdie said he 100% supports the idea that a college is a place for exchanging ideas, but he’s never really seen what Bill is talking about. I get the feeling there is much more to all of these situations than we ever find out. Like lack of approval from the student’s union is necessary and they didn’t get it, or the group on campus violated other rules in the past. I am just saying I don’t take the anecdots at face value and every school can do what they want.

And guys like Milo were doing college tours for the distinct purpose of inciting drama, and getting footage of “proud boys” fighting “antifa”, and the school’s have the responsibility to cancel something they see as a threat to student safety. 

“I just can’t discuss with a lot of my lefty friends because to discuss that thing means you must be evil/fascist/alt-right.”

Ya, a lot of valid progressive stances gets tossed into the groupthink blender and come out as "the Dakota pipeline is genocide. All white settlers must leave now". And even if you argree that the pipeline is dangerous and CO2 emissions are unacceptable, you are a monster for thinking the local economy could really use the boost and the local people should be a part of it.

But I’ve been attacked far more aggressively here than any lefty circles I’ve ever been a part of online or IRL just for not joining the circlejerk. I mean just check out some of these threads here. We’re deep into a real life Turner Diaries in their minds. The culture war is real and they are all-in.

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He represents meat head jock culture to most any liberal Californians I know. They don’t actually know what he’s about, they just know UFC, Fear Factor angry bald guy. Add to that he’s had Milo, Gavin and Alex Jones on along with his own tranny controversy and he was done. Plenty of liberal gym rats and jocks listen to him but the non athletic liberal pussy types instantly are repulsed by that much testosterone.

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RenatoCocopreta - Its only a matter of time before the radical left digs up Rogan's most cancelling skeletons.

They've already tried that. Rogan can't be cancelled because he makes too much money for other people and he has a lot of "fuck you" money himself.

You’re very naive if you think it works that way. Its just a matter of time until a perfect storm aligns.