The Penn fight solidified what Diaz will do to GSP

..he will get taken down and pounded to a five round shut out or a TKO.

BJ took him down EASY with a single leg, he didn't even defend it, and allowed BJ to do some pretty good (albeit brief)GnP even though that's not his thing. In fact, if he had done that instead of trying to box him, he could have won the fight.

Everybody boxes him, wtf? He's succeptable to kicks as well, Cyborg had some good success with leg kicks, but unfortunately for him, doesnt have the wrestling (or submission defense) for a effective GnP

George St Pierre; Great kicks, Great wrestling, Great sub Defense + size/strength/cardio.

This is bad news for Diaz

 Your post seems at odds with the title.

Eyelasher - GSP might take him down, but he's not going to be able to get off any offense; he'll get discouraged, and be forced to fight on the feet or get boo'd stalling out...


I disagree, he will get him down, put him against the fence and pound on him.

I don't think Diaz will even try to stop him (not that he could if he wanted to), he will look for a sub, that's what he did against Penn - and in fact every fight.

i will go further and say that I think that will happen to him more than once in the UFC, there are some very strong wrestlers in the welterweight division

And here I was with my hand on the outrage button... Phone Post

Nick defended the single leg by attempting the sweep in the same motion BJ went for the takedown but during the scramble he couldn't stay on top.

BJ couldn't get past Nick's guard and did not land anything of significance.

Only way GSP gets past Nick's guard is via grease.

ShaqNoob - Nick defended the single leg by attempting the sweep in the same motion BJ went for the takedown but during the scramble he couldn't stay on top.

BJ couldn't get past Nick's guard and did not land anything of significance.

Only way GSP gets past Nick's guard is via grease.


If three ounces of grease is all it takes to beat a BJJ black belt on the ground the Gracie family owes a lot of refunds.

ShaqNoob - Nick defended the single leg by attempting the sweep in the same motion BJ went for the takedown but during the scramble he couldn't stay on top.

BJ couldn't get past Nick's guard and did not land anything of significance.

Only way GSP gets past Nick's guard is via grease.


GSP doesnt have to get past nick's guard! Neither did Penn. BJ could have stayed on top, had he wanted to - he didn't, and basically allowed diaz to stand up with minimal resistance.

Ground and pound is most effective from full or half guard.

I think this fight will look a lot like Mayhem/GSP.

MolsonMuscles - 
ShaqNoob - Nick defended the single leg by attempting the sweep in the same motion BJ went for the takedown but during the scramble he couldn't stay on top.

BJ couldn't get past Nick's guard and did not land anything of significance.

Only way GSP gets past Nick's guard is via grease.


If three ounces of grease is all it takes to beat a BJJ black belt on the ground the Gracie family owes a lot of refunds.

Three onces of grease is a shitload of grease, especially considering how well it spreads.

hmeboy - 
ShaqNoob - Nick defended the single leg by attempting the sweep in the same motion BJ went for the takedown but during the scramble he couldn't stay on top.

BJ couldn't get past Nick's guard and did not land anything of significance.

Only way GSP gets past Nick's guard is via grease.


GSP doesnt have to get past nick's guard! Neither did Penn. BJ could have stayed on top, had he wanted to - he didn't, and basically allowed diaz to stand up with minimal resistance.

Ground and pound is most effective from full or half guard.

I think this fight will look a lot like Mayhem/GSP.

He doesn't have to, but he won't want to stay in Nick's gaurd with the threat of gogos, armbars and triangles.

Tankhead - And here I was with my hand on the outrage button... <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

and not a worthwhile thing to say....

ShaqNoob - 
hmeboy - 
ShaqNoob - Nick defended the single leg by attempting the sweep in the same motion BJ went for the takedown but during the scramble he couldn't stay on top.

BJ couldn't get past Nick's guard and did not land anything of significance.

Only way GSP gets past Nick's guard is via grease.


GSP doesnt have to get past nick's guard! Neither did Penn. BJ could have stayed on top, had he wanted to - he didn't, and basically allowed diaz to stand up with minimal resistance.

Ground and pound is most effective from full or half guard.

I think this fight will look a lot like Mayhem/GSP.

He doesn't have to, but he won't want to stay in Nick's gaurd with the threat of gogos, armbars and triangles.


oh, again I disagree. He can and WILL want to stay in Diaz's guard, stay tight and heavy, strong top position to immobilize hip/head movement, push Diaz against the fence so he can't extend, punch, explode out of any hint of sub attempts (GSP isn't an idiot), if Diaz get tired GSP opens up, if not, rinse repeat.

have you not seen any mma fights between a wrestler and bjj black belt lately? 99% of them go exactly as i described above

Have you not seen the Gracie Breakdown?

BJ's biggest mistake was punching Nick repeatedly in the face. Nick just ate those punches intentionally so that BJ couldn't secure firm back control with his other arm

And BJ's top game is far more technical than GSP's

Jamiee - Have you not seen the Gracie Breakdown?

BJ's biggest mistake was punching Nick repeatedly in the face. Nick just ate those punches intentionally so that BJ couldn't secure firm back control with his other arm

And BJ's top game is far more technical than GSP's


I wasn't referring to Penn on Diaz's back, I was talking about when he was in Nick's (sort of) guard.

Intentionally taking damage as a defense? That's a great plan i'd like to see him implement against GSP.

More technical? I think you're going to have to clarify what you mean by that. Without question, GSP has a stronger top game.

ttt?

Has it ever occurred to you that Diaz doesn't care if he's taken down?

In fact I'll be surprised if GSP wants any part of Diaz on the ground, even if GSP gets top.

Neither will get tired. GSP is more powerful, but that is offset by Diaz's superior technique on the ground.

What GSP has that Diaz has no answer for is kicks. THAT alone may be the only true advantage GSP will have.

MolsonMuscles - If three ounces of grease is all it takes to beat a BJJ black belt on the ground the Gracie family owes a lot of refunds.


Give me a three ounce straight edge razor and I'll nullify every martial art on earth. What's your point?

Diaz is probably my favorite fighter but I see GSP winning this with a lot of wall and stall.

If you think BJ's work after the takedown was successful, you have no credibility. Learn MMA, then come back when you're ready. Phone Post

I don't think GSP will use much wall and stall especially given that he is aware of all the recent criticism, and also that he truly wants to hurt Diaz.

So either he will try to blast him out from the feet, or if that doesn't work (or Diaz's boxing is too good), GSP will definitely take him down hard. The the question is, what will happen there?

If the fight mostly unfolds on the ground, this may very well turn out to be one hell of an awesome fight.

When was the last time someone of gsps quality was submitted from guard? It just doesn't happen much Anymore Phone Post