The Rise Of The American Corporate Security State

Not a liberal issue. Not a conservative issue. An issue for ALL.

In the United States today, we have good reason to be afraid. Our democracy and our freedoms are impaired. Many Americans have lost their homes and jobs and will never get them back. Our pensions and our privacy are also gone. Most frightening of all, the Constitution that protected us for more than two hundred years from the tentacles of oppressive government and the stranglehold of private wealth is less respected every day.

After September 11, 2001, our government told us to fear foreign terrorists, so we did. To protect our national security, we submitted to unreasonable searches without protest; we surrendered our freedom of speech and association. At a staggering cost, we financed a permanent, mercenary military to patrol the world.

In September 2008, when the economy froze, the stock exchanges plunged and private firms began shedding jobs by the hundreds of thousands each week. The Treasury Department stepped in and transferred hundreds of billions of dollars in public assets to failing private financial institutions. The subsequent congressional inquiry determined that we were all responsible. We were guilty of irrational exuberance.

But now, taking stock years later, we have to recognize that no foreign terrorist shredded the Constitution. Nor did we, as citizens, bankrupt the nation. Powerful forces inside the country did. And worse than that: they intend to keep doing it. They have yet to be stopped. This is the real reason to be afraid: the rise of the Corporate Security State.



http://truth-out.org/news/item/23802-the-rise-of-the-american-corporate-security-state

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To comingle private wealth and public authority, US elites are promoting an antidemocratic legal regime that allows the exchange of consumer information among the corporations that now own the nation's critical infrastructure - banks, power companies, transportation companies, and telecoms - and America's intelligence agencies. This new legal collaboration will provide certain private interests with the cover of legal immunity for their invasive surveillance. It will eradicate the remains of your privacy and deliver your personal data to the government. Should you protest or demand redress, you will find that you have lost your legal right to remedy.
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We need a HIPAA equivalent for our economic privacy.  


I agree, we need any number of rules, regulations, laws etc in regards to our personal information and things we do I believe. The first step is returning to requiring warrants for any and all searches. Those warrants must be specific, no fishing expeditions.

Tidbits - 
To comingle private wealth and public authority, US elites are promoting an antidemocratic legal regime that allows the exchange of consumer information among the corporations that now own the nation's critical infrastructure - banks, power companies, transportation companies, and telecoms - and America's intelligence agencies. This new legal collaboration will provide certain private interests with the cover of legal immunity for their invasive surveillance. It will eradicate the remains of your privacy and deliver your personal data to the government. Should you protest or demand redress, you will find that you have lost your legal right to remedy.


Those stories used to be told by negative crybabies lunatics that saw the sky falling everywhere they looked. These days, it's sadly accurate. Big Corps and their lobbies are running the show now. Governments bow to them, and do not put people and State first.

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California is attempting to limit cooperation with the NSA.

Giving NSA the boot – California bids to end spying on its citizens

Published time: May 20, 2014 07:10 
Edited time: May 21, 2014 13:46
 
 
 

The state of California is looking to pass a law stating the federal government would need a warrant from a judge if it wants to search residents' cellphones and computer records. The bill passed the state senate with just one person voting against.

The bill was introduced following information that was leaked by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, who showed that US citizens had been subject to massive internal surveillance by the NSA.

"The Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution is very clear. It says the government shall not engage in unreasonable search and seizure," said the bill's author, Democratic State Senator Ted Lieu of Torrance, to Reuters. "The National Security Agency's massive and indiscriminate collecting of phone data on all Americans, including more than 38 million Californians, is a threat to our liberty and freedom."

California is one of eight states to introduce such measures, according to Lieu's spokesman, Jeff Gozzo. Alaska, Arizona and Oklahoma are also looking to counter this problem, though America's most populous state is the nearest to getting legislation passed. The bill will be heard before an assembly policy committee in June 2014.

The Obama administration is unhappy about the powers of NSA being diluted. Last year a federal judge ruled that the NSA's practice of 'spying' on its citizens was unconstitutional. The US government is currently appealing this ruling.

The California bill would not allow any law enforcement or other officials to help federal agencies look into phone records, internet use, or any other electronic activity by residents of the state unless a warrant has been authorized by a judge.

The legislation was first mooted in January 2014. Known as Senate Bill 828, Joel Anderson co-sponsored it with Lieu. The state senators were prepared to go to extreme measures to make sure the rights of the citizens of California are no longer infringed.

The bill is happy to target government-owned utilities (water and electricity); any public universities that allow their facilities to be used as NSA research facilities and their campuses as recruiting grounds. They are also willing to impose sanctions on any corporations trying to fill the gaps left by the utility providers and other state companies. Finally, the bill also seeks to ban any local or state criminal investigations from carrying out their work using data harvested by government snooping without a specific warrant. In the absence of such a document, the information will simply be inadmissible in court.

Earlier this month, the House Judiciary Committee voted 32-0 to move along legislation, which would bring a halt to the NSA's controversial activities, with amendments to the USA Freedom Act. As part of the bill, the NSA would need to prove to a judge that an individual is somehow connected to terrorism before being granted access to their personal data.

The bill reflects recommendations forwarded last year by a presidential Review Group that advised the NSA to stop pressuring tech companies to put 'back doors' into their programs, which gives the NSA unfettered access to customers' records.

Under the NSA's so-called PRISM program, which former NSA contractor-turned-whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed last year to intense international condemnation, the NSA collects and stores numbers dialed and call times but does not record the conversations.

However, even that claim of limited powers was challenged in March after it was reported that the NSA operates another program, dubbed MYSTIC, that gives it the power to "retrieve audio of interest that was not tasked at the time of the original call," according to the Washington Post.

http://rt.com/usa/160104-nsa-spying-california-snowden/


While I'm not sure of the effectiveness of this attempt, I certainly applaud CA's effort.  Its one of the few things CA seems to be doing right IMHO.

nothing to see here, bunch of old kooks the lot of ya

What is really scary is that all the gung ho 2nd Amendment junkies see all of this and couldn't care less, but god forbid someone even breathes something about gun regulations or registration and they go apeshit.

They are blind to their rights being systematically eroded because it isn't 2nd Amendment related.

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While I'm not sure of the effectiveness of this attempt, I certainly applaud CA's effort.  Its one of the few things CA seems to be doing right IMHO.


Yeah, I don't know either, but it should be setting off major alarm bells among people when states are doing things like this (and this).  Why isn't there more outrage?  People keep blaming the NSA, but we all know the NSA would stop the instant the president gave the order to stop, so why isn't Obama being held to account for this?  Why are people instead only looking as high as the NSA?  People can protest and rant all day long about the NSA but they are not going to change unless given an order to do so by the White House.  


Correct again. Phone Post 3.0

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have spent many years as an analyst for a three letter govt organization and there is NOT a shop that spies on Americans. Never has been, never will be.

I don't doubt that Americans are being spied on by someone (looking at you corporations), but there is a very big red herring out there that is unfairly getting the brunt of the public's anger.

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GodSaveTheReem - I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have spent many years as an analyst for a three letter govt organization and there is NOT a shop that spies on Americans. Never has been, never will be.

I don't doubt that Americans are being spied on by someone (looking at you corporations), but there is a very big red herring out there that is unfairly getting the brunt of the public's anger.


I dont get it. this has been acknowledged at the highest levels of government.




There have been apologies from politicians who have little to no knowledge (or background) of intelligence agencies who were responding to popular news stories. The left want to appeal to their younger voters and scream "bush's policies are evil!" and the right want to scream "look what obama is doing! he is evil!"...there is so much spin from both sides it is impossible to keep up.

My opinion...The politicians and the people that fund them are NOT on your side and I doubt they really give a shit about americans, but the government agencies that are manned by normal people who love this country are actually doing their best to keep this country safe.

Also, there are zero politicians that could walk into my old work places and have any idea what the actual policies and capabilities are.

I am not disagreeing that there is a problem, I am just saying that the true problem has done an amazing job of locating a convenient scapegoat.

GodSaveTheReem - I am not disagreeing that there is a problem, I am just saying that the true problem has done an amazing job of locating a convenient scapegoat.

 

Your claim is pretty confusing considering all the data Edward Snowden has exposed that shows otherwise.  Also unusual for it to be a ruse considering the NSA has not denied any of it.  About all the NSA has to say in response is "We have to violate your rights to keep you safe from terrorists". 

 

If the NSA is being unfairly targetted, they sure aren't doing a very good job making defending themselves.

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GodSaveTheReem - I am not disagreeing that there is a problem, I am just saying that the true problem has done an amazing job of locating a convenient scapegoat.

 

Your claim is pretty confusing considering all the data Edward Snowden has exposed that shows otherwise.  Also unusual for it to be a ruse considering the NSA has not denied any of it.  About all the NSA has to say in response is "We have to violate your rights to keep you safe from terrorists". 

 

If the NSA is being unfairly targetted, they sure aren't doing a very good job making defending themselves.




About the bad defense, best analogy I can think of...pretend there are two people, and person A is screaming at person B saying "you don't have a brain! The only way you can convince me is if you take it out and show me!". Obviously person B can't do that because doing so would kill them, but person A will not be placated until it sees the brain. So now person B is stuck in a lose-lose scenario where it either can prove person A wrong and die in the process, or just stand there and take the verbal abuse.
I don't know if that made sense...but I hope it did.

GodSaveTheReem - I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have spent many years as an analyst for a three letter govt organization and there is NOT a shop that spies on Americans. Never has been, never will be.

I don't doubt that Americans are being spied on by someone (looking at you corporations), but there is a very big red herring out there that is unfairly getting the brunt of the public's anger.


LOL. and I guess Snowden is lying....also you are engaging in the typical surveillance state doublespeak, while there may not be a a "shop" meaning a specific group that monitors 24/7, the NSA is definitely scooping up ALL meta data from cell phones, internet searches, email, credit card transactions etc. So while you may me technically correct, you are also full of shit and lying through your teeth, if you think that what the NSA is doing does not equal spying or a violation of the Constitution.

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GodSaveTheReem - I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have spent many years as an analyst for a three letter govt organization and there is NOT a shop that spies on Americans. Never has been, never will be.

I don't doubt that Americans are being spied on by someone (looking at you corporations), but there is a very big red herring out there that is unfairly getting the brunt of the public's anger.


LOL. and I guess Snowden is lying....also you are engaging in the typical surveillance state doublespeak, while there may not be a a "shop" meaning a specific group that monitors 24/7, the NSA is definitely scooping up ALL meta data from cell phones, internet searches, email, credit card transactions etc. So while you may me technically correct, you are also full of shit and lying through your teeth, if you think that what the NSA is doing does not equal spying or a violation of the Constitution.



All I can think of is he is saying they are spying on us but at the command of government and corporations who use the information against competition and political enemies.

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Tidbits - 
GodSaveTheReem - I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have spent many years as an analyst for a three letter govt organization and there is NOT a shop that spies on Americans. Never has been, never will be.

I don't doubt that Americans are being spied on by someone (looking at you corporations), but there is a very big red herring out there that is unfairly getting the brunt of the public's anger.


LOL. and I guess Snowden is lying....also you are engaging in the typical surveillance state doublespeak, while there may not be a a "shop" meaning a specific group that monitors 24/7, the NSA is definitely scooping up ALL meta data from cell phones, internet searches, email, credit card transactions etc. So while you may me technically correct, you are also full of shit and lying through your teeth, if you think that what the NSA is doing does not equal spying or a violation of the Constitution.



All I can think of is he is saying they are spying on us but at the command of government and corporations who use the information against competition and political enemies.




It doesn't really matter what he is saying, he is a surveillance state stooge making excuses and or rationalizing our own government spying on us.

"The younger generations are being groomed into thinking they have to share everything and anything about them - just imagine in ten years time - when a person tries to be "private" he will be an outcast and even a potential thread to the nation. -- scary"

Indeed. It's already in full swing. Even a "used to be very private" guy like myself has let my guards down big time as it's too much hassle fighting this all the time and too much convenient (Google search, browsing, analytics, anyone?) to let it go.

People are enslaving themselves... and proud of it too!


GodSaveTheReem, maybe you are correct in your own experience, but modern brutal dictatorships have clearly shown how "average hard working citizens" can be made cogs in a brutal system. Why would it different here? It's so easy to convince, coerce, justify, reward and manipulate agencies (and the people working in them) in working for the system. Scarily easy in fact.