The Thrilla in Manila, 40 Years On

Hey guys,

I haven't seen much talk about this, but it's the fortieth anniversary of one of the most brutal, grueling, and inspiring matches of all time - Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier III, the Thrilla in Manila.

Art for this one done by the great Gian Galang.

I'm only really sharing the historical pieces I'm really proud of atm, so any feedack is very much appreciated!

Cheers,

Jack

The Lost Round: The Thrilla in Manila, Forty Years On

 

As publicity stunts go, George Foreman fighting five men in one night was among the greatest failures in boxing history. As Foreman stood swinging at his fourth opponent, desperately trying to deliver the heart stopping knockout that fans had paid to see, but which had so far been absent, Muhammad Ali sat at ringside, hollering the same mantra he had through each fight that night.

 

'Hit the ropes! Hit the ropes!'

 

The same rope-a-dope which had carried Ali to victory over Foreman and allowed him to regain the world heavyweight title was now allowing nobodies—chosen to fall down in front of Foreman—to outlast the most severe puncher in the heavyweight division. As Foreman's fourth 'victim', Charlie Polite covered himself along the ropes and deflected every meaningful shot Foreman loaded up, Muhammad Ali commented to Howard Cossell:

 

'He's using my method... This guy is a good fighter.'

 

To which Cossell, reviewing Polite's record, announced to the world on a live broadcast:

 

'I disagree, champ. Charlie Polite is not a good fighter.'

 

But that was the genius of Muhammad Ali. He could find a way to win a fight he had no business being in. Cassius Clay had been one of the most talented heavyweights the world had ever seen, he had blistering speed and the ability to keep it up into the late rounds. That is, before his three year exile from boxing. When Muhammad Ali returned to the ring, he was slower, heavier, and though he could still dance, he had no hopes of keeping it up with such effortless grace for twelve or fifteen rounds.

 

In his later days, Ali was a study in ringcraft and savvy. He would box and dance for a round, and then hold in clinches for the entirety of the next. If he needed a knockout, he could summon the power to knock a man out. If he needed points, he'd clip off flurries at the end of rounds to win over the judges. If he got hit, he'd shake his head and have the fans almost believing that he let the blow land deliberately, just to show that he could wear it with no bother.

 

When Ali met Foreman for the world heavyweight title in 1974, it seemed as though Foreman were an unbeatable challenger for any boxer, let alone the slowing Muhammad Ali. Ali couldn't out punch Foreman, and it became almost immediately apparent that Foreman's ring cutting was too sharp for Ali's lateral movement. An outfight was off the cards, so Ali hit the ropes. After eight rounds of receiving Foreman's wide, swinging blows against his arms and gloves, Ali pirouetted turned off of the ropes and sent Foreman pirouetting to the canvas with a right hand to reclaim the heavyweight belt.

 

But the people were getting wise to Ali's game. Following Foreman, the champ took a fight with the unknown Chuck Wepner—a fight so undeserved and pointless that it inspired Sylvester Stallone's Rocky—and managed to get dragged down to the challenger's level. Following that, Ron Lyle boxed Ali up for the better part of eleven rounds, before Ali summoned a right hand to reel Lyle and poured on blows for a stoppage. There was no doubt, Ali was slipping.

 

After a victory over Joe Bugner in Malaysia, Ali signed a bout with Joe Frazier. The news failed to resonate with the public. It was their third meeting, and both were far past their primes but Frazier had certainly suffered the harder fall, losing to Foreman in 1973 and Ali in 1974. Fans had no idea that Ali and Frazier's third meeting would be the last great fight in either man. Certainly, no one expected one of the most brutal and dramatic fights in the history of the sport.

 

 

Smokin' Joe

 

Joe Frazier had suffered the saddest fate in combat sports—being the alter rex. The anti-champ. When a champion leaves the sport by retirement or through controversy, the man who takes up the title is always looked on as something of a second rate replacement. It happened when Jim Jeffries, Gene Tunney, and Rocky Marciano retired, and it happened again when Muhammad Ali was denied a boxing licence for his refusal to be drafted into the Vietnam War.

 

Following Muhammad Ali's departure in 1967, boxing's governing bodies began their search for a new champion. The World Boxing Association held a heavyweight tournament to decide their new champion, in which the dark horse, Jimmy Ellis, was able to triumph. Ellis, a training partner of Ali's from early in his career and a favourite of trainer, Angelo Dundee, utilized the familiar back-stepping right hands and Ali's favourite delayed cross counter (the infamous 'anchor punch') to put on the greatest few fights of his life.

 

The WBA tournament had invited the top eight heavyweights in the world, but failed to secure the consensus number one ranked contender. Joe Frazier opted instead to fight Buster Mathis for the vacant New York State Athletic Commission World Heavyweight Title. When Ellis met Frazier to unify the titles and decide who would receive the additional WBC heavyweight title, Frazier continued his incredible winning streak—blasting Ellis in the fifth round.

 

But Frazier, unlike many of those alternate champions before him, actually got his chance to fight the departed champion. Almost as soon as a new champion had been agreed upon, Muhammad Ali was back. Three years older and a few pounds more muscular, Ali had accumulated a couple of ho-hum victories over Jerry Quarry and Oscar Bonavena in the dying months of 1970 but to many, he was still the champ. By 1971 the world was anxious to see Ali and Frazier go at it.

 

'The Fight of the Century' as it was billed, proved to be one of the most anticipated fights of all time. Famously, Frank Sinatra was only able to get a decent seat by attending as Time magazine's photographer.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQhFhdmW6Vs

 

Of their three meetings, the first showed Ali and Frazier in their best physical condition. Ali, like Jimmy Ellis, found success agaomst Frazoer early on. When he was fresh and his reflexes were sharp, Ali easily found Frazier's bobbling head with hard jabs and right hands which looked to be hurting the champion. However, Frazier's game was never about perfection, nor about self-preservation. He won by attrition, and the opponent working was part of that. By the third or fourth round, the punches came slower and Frazier's constant, rhythmic dipping of his head and loose cross guard carried him to safety more often than not.

 

Frazier began to connect his leaping counter hooks, and soon Ali was getting stuck on the ropes for half a minute at a time. This gave Frazier chance to hit the body and tire Ali out further. This was not the savvy, holding Ali of years to come, he simply covered up and exposed his gut to the infighter.

 

The further the fight progressed, the deeper Ali got into the habit which Angelo Dundee chastised him for more than any other. “Don't hook with a hooker!” Dundee would say. Never was the reasoning behind this clearer than in Ali vs Frazier I. Frazier relied on missed punches to leap in with his hooks and catch his opponent recovering. When Ali jabbed, he had a decent amount of time to recover. When he hooked, it necessitated being closer, and the punch travelled a wide arc rather than a straight line. The window through which Frazier could move and evade the punch was greater, and the distance he had to cover to retaliate was far shorter. The harshest blows Ali took that night were when his discipline failed and he attempted to swing hooks with Smokin' Joe.

 

At the end of fifteen rounds, with Ali being dropped to the mat in the fifteenth, Frazier won the unanimous decision.

 

 

Manila

 

Joe Frazier took the rest of 1971 to recover, and defended his belt just twice in 1972. Muhammad Ali meanwhile fought nine bouts in that time. Beating his old friend, Jimmy Ellis to take the New York State Athletic Commission heavyweight belt, Ali began a world tour from Switzerland to Japan, and Canada to Dublin. Ali kept his profile high as he campaigned to do what still just one man had ever done to that point—regain the heavyweight title. It was during these bouts that Ali honed his new craft—using the ropes, holding behind the head and cupping the arm at the triceps, clipping off flurries to steal rounds.

 

After a surprising loss to Ken Norton, and a close victory in the rematch, Ali was poised to fight Frazier again. Unfortunately, Frazier was no longer the champion after being knocked out in just two rounds by the juggernaut that was George Foreman. In the second meeting between Ali and Frazier, Ali was able to work on the outside, but completely smother Frazier's infighting by holding behind the head. To Ali, the fight had proven he could beat Frazier now. To Frazier, the fight was an anomaly because the referee had failed to stop Ali from excessively holding with an illegal grip.

 

 

On the eve of their third meeting, in Manila, this was a sticking point between the camps. So much so that a Filipino referee had to be found at the last minute as a replacement for the intended official. Carlos Padilla Jr, a former actor, was chosen to ensure fairness and spent most of his life looking for violations of this rule and the expense of ignoring others from both fighters.

 

The Ali clinch, behind the head and behind the triceps. Against a one sided left hooker like Joe Frazier, this was a game killer. Larry Holmes had surprising success as an old man, tying up a prime Mike Tyson.

 

Attitudes to the clinch have changed a great deal over time. Looking back at Jack Johnson and Jim Jeffries, they were essentially wrestlers who unleashed threw a few punches from the clinch. In the forties fighters would tie up, but were allowed time to work free—as Rocky Marciano so famously did against Ezzard Charles. Where in the modern era the referee is expected to break the fighters immediately and no-one seems to know how to move their head underneath and create space to free their arms. Whatever the case, Ali's ability to nullify Frazier in close in their second fight was pivotal in keeping him off of the ropes and avoid punishment of his midsection.

 

Aside from disagreements over the rules and a rivalry, the two men had a bitter personal relationship. The two had been friends initially—with Frazier helping Ali out through staged confrontations to keep him in the public eye while Ali was unable to secure a boxing license. The problems came when Ali began to trash talk and alienate Joe Frazier from the black community.

 

The difficulty with putting a professional fighter on a pedestal and considering them a significant figure in the civil rights movement, as Ali was and is to this day, is that pre-fight trash talk can be confused with that. Ali's choice to paint Joe Frazier as an Uncle Tom and a white man's champion was easily the most cruel of his career. Frazier was one of thirteen children and worked on a farm for his father from the day he was physically able to. Ali, meanwhile, had never been in a position of abject poverty.

 

When he was asked to comment on Frazier's winning the heavyweight title, Ali replied sincerely that:

 

'Joe's got four or five children to feed. He's worked in a meat-packing house all his life and deserves a break[...] Joe Frazier wasn't just given the title. He had to fight for it.'

 

His painting Frazier as an Uncle Tom and his curious use of the gorilla to mock Frazier's appearance both resonated with Ali's millions of fans. Frazier suddenly became the villain to a community he had never done anything to wrong. For all the good he did in the world, Ali's behaviour towards Frazier outside of the ring is impossible to justify.

 

Continues with the fight at  http://fightland.vice.com/blog/the-lost-round-the-thrilla-in-manila-forty-years-on

Yeah, Ali's treatment of Frazier is unforgivable.
He may be the greatest heavyweight of all time but my respect for Ali stops there. Phone Post 3.0

It's gonna be a killa, a chilla and a thrilla when I beat the gorilla in Manilla.

donkypunch55 - Yeah, Ali's treatment of Frazier is unforgivable.
He may be the greatest heavyweight of all time but my respect for Ali stops there. Phone Post 3.0

Ali was a master at psychological warfare.

And he knew Frazier was deadly. Ali treated him the way he did because he feared him so much and wanted to gain any possible advantage over him.

In reality, the abuse he gave Frazier should be seen as a sign of respect.

That was and still is on of the most brutal fights of all time. Its one of the 5 most brutal fights ever.

And I agree with the green name above me. Joe gave money to Ali when he was exiled and in return Ali verbally abused Joe. He called him a "Uncle Tom" and a "House Nigger. Joe did not deserve that. Joe was a good man.

Ali was a great fighter. He is the greatest HW fighter of all time but I have no respect for him as a person for how he treated Joe and many others.

Technofiend -
donkypunch55 - Yeah, Ali's treatment of Frazier is unforgivable.
He may be the greatest heavyweight of all time but my respect for Ali stops there. Phone Post 3.0

Ali was a master at psychological warfare.

And he knew Frazier was deadly. Ali treated him the way he did because he feared him so much and wanted to gain any possible advantage over him.

In reality, the abuse he gave Frazier should be seen as a sign of respect.
I respectfully disagree.

Ali went so far beyond appropriate as it relates to Frazier, especially considering that Joe was one of the few to have his back when Ali was down.

It wasn't simple trash talk. Phone Post 3.0

TTT


McGregor has nothing on Ali's trolling.



 

Great thread btw

DisIsDeRiddumOfDeNite - 


McGregor has nothing on Ali's trolling.



 



I have no idea how Foreman's people thought that would be a good idea...

Ali was piece of trash of a human being. His treatment of Joe brought that out to light.
Joe also got screwed with the stoppage in Manila. He was winning that fight Phone Post 3.0

That cartoon pic in OP of Ali v Frazier is awesome, would look amazing framed

Where can I get a Hd pic of it? Phone Post 3.0

My second instructor was Jeff Smith and he fought on the undercard which was filmed at the sold out capitol center and then put on the "closed circuit TV" as one of the undercard fights of the event.

Sub Phone Post 3.0

Technofiend -
donkypunch55 - Yeah, Ali's treatment of Frazier is unforgivable.
He may be the greatest heavyweight of all time but my respect for Ali stops there. Phone Post 3.0

Ali was a master at psychological warfare.

And he knew Frazier was deadly. Ali treated him the way he did because he feared him so much and wanted to gain any possible advantage over him.

In reality, the abuse he gave Frazier should be seen as a sign of respect.
His family used to get people ringing up making death threats because of the shit Ali instigated.

Unjustifiable is a perfect description Phone Post 3.0

Chapulin Colorado - That cartoon pic in OP of Ali v Frazier is awesome, would look amazing framed

Where can I get a Hd pic of it? Phone Post 3.0


Should be able to get it by googling Gian Galang. I got his Lyoto painting hanging above the TV, it's amazing.

Ali's trash talking back then was no different than what modern fighters do. Same folks that got their panties in a bunch by 2009-2013 Floyd Mayweather. You all are just venting your frustration on his stance on the Vietnam war and his so called "draft dodging". Ali was right not to fight in that war.

Damn it Slack where have you been!
Always a fan of your work and awesome read. This fight being before my time its great that we have the ability to look back at it with such perspective.