The TOS for UFC Fight Pass are horribly one-sided

The UFC is hoping that their free two month trial will get as many people as possible to sign up. They are even throwing in a fight card from Singapore to attract sign-ups. Fight Pass is aimed for audiences in America, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. And yet the Singapore card will air in Canada on Rogers 360.

The first thing I noticed right away with the Fight Pass Agreement is that they can change fees at any time and it’s incumbent upon you, the consumer, to regularly read the Terms of Use Agreement to see what the fee updates are. This is a standard provision that you see in the various zero TV online subscriber Agreements. It struck a chord with me, however, given that UFC is offering a two-month trial and already you have people getting charges for attempting to watch online videos.

So, what happens if Fight Pass turns you into a disgruntled customer? Well, that’s where the fun really begins.

There’s a section about refunds and an e-mail address you have to contact to try to get a response. Take note of the legalese with their repeated phrase “reasonable effort.” Which means you are at their mercy. They claim they will give pro-rated refunds as long as they don’t deem you violating their Terms of Use Agreement. So far, standard but unattractive Agreement language. But take note that their “reasonable effort” to give you a refund or credit is the “exclusive remedy.” In other words, take it or leave it. If they raise fees or start charging at any time, you gave up those rights when approving the Agreement. And if you want your money back, it’ll be on their terms.

 

Not only does the Agreement stipulate a statute of limitations for one year only, it specifies that the court venue must be in Clark County, Nevada. You have to fight in Nevada, only in Clark County, and it doesn’t specify a state or Federal court.

You are signing an online Agreement, most likely as a resident outside the state of Nevada, over the Internet with a Nevada company. Interstate commerce, right? And yet the Agreement says disputes in court have to be dealt with in their state and in their county.

If, somehow by chance of miracle, you are able to break through these contractual provisions by finding a judge or authority that can help you proceed to court, then comes another battle where if you lose you have to pay the attorney’s fees for the company you’re trying to fight with. And if you manage to get to court somehow, most likely as part of a class action lawsuit, then there are severability clauses in the agreements in which the Terms of Use Agreements can hold up as constituted if only part of the Agreement is struck down by a judge for violating the law.

Which brings us to the much larger point: if the people subscribing to UFC Fight Pass actually read the Terms of Use Agreement that they have to sign to become a subscriber, how many people would be dissuaded from signing up if they understood exactly what kind of rights they were giving up?

From my soapbox, I would strongly argue that there is a case to be made that these kinds of Term of Use Agreements are blatant Contracts of Adhesion with Unconscionable Terms.

A Contract of Adhesion basically is a deal that is so one-sided that the party trying to get out of the deal is stuck like glue because they have few rights to challenge the contract. In the case of these kinds of Agreements, they are non-negotiable — take it or leave it, and once you enter into such an Agreement, you’re stuck if you have a dispute that needs to be resolved about $ charges that you think have been unfairly billed to you. I would argue that the arbitration & court venue provisions in these Agreements are Unconscionable.

read the rest at http://www.fightopinion.com/2014/01/03/sticky-legal-agreement-ufc-fight-pass/

No different then other services which are similar.

Things are going to get really fun come March 1st when peoples cards start getting charged and everyones having issues with canceling subscriptions.

Im staying away from fight pass and watching all this unfold from the sidelines. Phone Post 3.0

In for South Park reference...

teamquestnorth - Things are going to get really fun come March 1st when peoples cards start getting charged and everyones having issues with canceling subscriptions.

Im staying away from fight pass and watching all this unfold from the sidelines. Phone Post 3.0


Yup, Aol free trial all over again

Of course they won't let people go without somehow tappin that ass first.

Most people will get sick of the run-around, throw their hands in the air and just pay the 'early termination, additional surcharge, finders fee, additional overcharge,' and whatever other fees they can muster up.

I will be watching this from the sidelines too.

FUCK.

After reading this thread, I went ahead and tried to cancel the subscription but there is nothing on the website about doing so.

Does anyone have idea what to do?? Phone Post 3.0

DTAlexONE - FUCK.

After reading this thread, I went ahead and tried to cancel the subscription but there is nothing on the website about doing so.

Does anyone have idea what to do?? Phone Post 3.0


Deactivation/termination of your registration



You may deactivate your registration on the website, at any time and for any reason, by sending an email request to UFCTVSupport@UFC.com. We may terminate your use of and registration on the website, at any time and for any reason, with or without cause, without prior notice to you and without any liability or further obligation of any kind whatsoever to you or any other party.



 



http://www.ufc.com/termsOfUse

And that is any different from any other pay subscription service how? Some of you people just love to bitch about anything. If you don't like it don't subscribe to it. If you do then sub to it. Get over yourselves. You aren't that important. Entitled fucks. Phone Post 3.0

MrColdCockIsGay - In for South Park reference...
I cant even read in engrish! Phone Post 3.0

Team GDP -
DTAlexONE - FUCK.

After reading this thread, I went ahead and tried to cancel the subscription but there is nothing on the website about doing so.

Does anyone have idea what to do?? Phone Post 3.0


Deactivation/termination of your registration



You may deactivate your registration on the website, at any time and for any reason, by sending an email request to UFCTVSupport@UFC.com. We may terminate your use of and registration on the website, at any time and for any reason, with or without cause, without prior notice to you and without any liability or further obligation of any kind whatsoever to you or any other party.



 



http://www.ufc.com/termsOfUse

VU good sir.

Thank you. Phone Post 3.0

Cue the zuffa zombies Phone Post 3.0

can someone embed this tweet

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p>As far as I can tell, this is the only way to "deactivate" your Fight Pass account: <a href="http://t.co/qSmRfywcwZ"&gt;pic.twitter.com/qSmRfywcwZ&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>— Mike Fagan (@ItsMikeFagan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ItsMikeFagan/statuses/418860423803195392"&gt;January 2, 2014</a></blockquote>
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nm same info GDP posted

Travis Bickle - lol@the tard saying "No different then other services which are similar.", actually it is different, when canceling, all you have to do is cancel. very, very rarely do you have to EMAIL someone to do any cancelling.
This. Every other similar service agreement deal normally has a clickable link to cancel....not send an email and hope. Phone Post 3.0

teamquestnorth - Things are going to get really fun come March 1st when peoples cards start getting charged and everyones having issues with canceling subscriptions.

Im staying away from fight pass and watching all this unfold from the sidelines. Phone Post 3.0
You and me both my friend. The UFC has done nothing to show me that they won't break it off in my ass at every opportunity, so I feel like the smarter man doesn't give them one. Phone Post 3.0

FETT_UGCTT_LnPninja - 
Travis Bickle - lol@the tard saying "No different then other services which are similar.", actually it is different, when canceling, all you have to do is cancel. very, very rarely do you have to EMAIL someone to do any cancelling.
This. Every other similar service agreement deal normally has a clickable link to cancel....not send an email and hope. Phone Post 3.0


Yup, customer service can sit on your request and god knows what can happen in the interim and like an insurance company search for any reason to deny releasing your without a charge or without additional ones.

I have already decided to cancel it after today. I'll watch the Singapore card, then it goes buh-bye.

It's way too restrictive, has a way too limited library, and no clear way of actually controlling your account (sans credit card info). Emailing to cancel? Who does that for an online service, except companies trying to make it hard to cancel so they get another billing cycle out of you. How the hell are they going to process the large number of cancellation requests mid to end February? Manually? Sure, it works for 10 or 20 cancellations....but getting 10,000 cancellations will create huge problems.

It has left a sour taste in my mouth after trying to actually use it for the past few days.

I'm glad I used my alternative/online credit card to sign up. This account literally only has $3 in it so no matter what happens they can't grab anything out of the account (Although they did charge me $1 when I signed up, which has not been returned yet).

"And yet the Singapore card will air in Canada on Rogers 360."

Indeed, from 9 to 11 AM and then repeats at 8pm, EST.

I'm not motivated to get Fight Pass until it gets on a popular device, like the PS3 (which is a popular way people watch Netflix).

ChaosOverkill - 
FETT_UGCTT_LnPninja - 
Travis Bickle - lol@the tard saying "No different then other services which are similar.", actually it is different, when canceling, all you have to do is cancel. very, very rarely do you have to EMAIL someone to do any cancelling.
This. Every other similar service agreement deal normally has a clickable link to cancel....not send an email and hope. Phone Post 3.0


Yup, customer service can sit on your request and god knows what can happen in the interim and like an insurance company search for any reason to deny releasing your without a charge or without additional ones.


As long as you save your cancellation e-mail (which would just make sense) they can't charge you beyond that month, or else you can just dispute the charges.