The UFC HW Division Is Weak

It's amazing when you think of how biased the mma media is. Disgusting is likely a better adjective than amazing.

THE REAL DEALS

Cain - An absolute beast. Amazing fighter, amazing potential, will be a top HW for a long time.

JDS - Cigano has some of the best boxing in HW MMA history. The rest of his striking game is very average, and under utilized, and his wrestling and ground game are question marks currently. He is however a blue chip prospect/contender.

THE REST

Mir - An inconsistent fighter that relies on turtling and giving up every other fight. Weak chin, mediocre striking, good ground game, weak mentally. He is a b level fighter.

Carwin - Who knows what could have been. Look, Shane seems like a nice guy and he posts here. However he is old, his body is worn down, his striking although powerful is rudimentary, his ground game is weak (subbed by Lesnar?) and his cardio will never be top notch because he is the size of a truck. He has big power and good wrestling, but his chin is shaky and he was wobbled by Neil Wain. A b level fighter with limited fight time left.

Roy Nelson - Another b level HW. Couldn't beat JDS, AA, Monson, Rothwell etc. Has a lot of heart, a good chin and a great ground game. Deceptive power in his hands. However he is a walking punching bag, and can be out grappled by bigger guys or more athletic guys. JDS basically turned him into a glorified sparring partner.

Brock Lesnar - An amazing physical specimen, who can't handle getting hit, doesn't seem to like pain, and basically never wants to fight in mma again. He had no business ever being ranked top 3 never mind #1, his striking is terrible, his defense everywhere is bad, and his chin is soft. He also can't handle being bullied. As good as his comeback vs Carwin was, if Shane didn't gas Lesnar likely would have quit mma after that fight. Hasn't trained since the loss to Cain in October.

Nog - A true all time great, his time is done. His iron chin is now porcelain, he has no power in the stand up, and although his BJJ will always be very good the beatings he is taking are undeserved and he should hang them up. His body is riddled with injuries now as well.

CC - He was knocked out by Frank Mir. Enough said. A true all time great as well, should have hung them up after the Gonzaga loss.

Struve - Folds like an accordion. Was destroyed by Cigano and Nelson.

Schaub - A decent prospect that will likely never be top 10, Schaub is a great athlete but has nothing in his arsenal that is very good.

Kongo - Could barely handle Travis Browne.

If I left someone out I apologize. The Strikeforce HW division is much better.

The Reem - The best HW striker on the planet, questions remain about chin and cardio, will be answered shortly.

Werdum - Fresh off a submission of the best fighter of all time, Fedor, Werdum remains a guy with solid striking, a questionable chin, great recovery, and the best HW grappling in the world.

Fedor - Although appearing more out of shape lately than ever, and plagued by shady management and lengthy lay-offs, Fedor is unquestionably the best HW fighter of all time and the best mma fighter to date. Has always been vulnerable, and in his last fight was actually beaten legitimately for the first time. I think that spells trouble for the rest of the division.

Bigfoot - A strong striker with an even better ground game, Bigfoot's biggest problem is a mental one. He seems to drift in fights, and can sometimes lack a killer instinct. Nonetheless his size and overall skills present big problems for anyone.

Barnett - Skills-wise is a top 5 HW no doubt. Has serious problems passing drug tests, and has been facing mediocre opposition for years. Can also sometimes have mental hiccups, but has adequate striking and a tremendous catch wrestling game.

Kharitonov - Who knows what is going on with Sergei. Was once one of the best prospects in the sport, he has shown a lack of submission defense despite his sambo background, and is questionable mentally as well. However, he has great boxing and a very good submission offense, and can take a beating as well.

AA - Might be in the Nog/CC category. A fighter that was once great, and looks to be finished. His fight vs. Sergei will speak volumes.

Rogers - Someone with a limited background that has a tremendous heart and lethal hands. He has a long reach, great size, but is limited off his back and isn't the sharpest technical fighter on his feet as well. If he lands on the chin, much like Carwin, it's over.

Plus, Strikeforce has HW prospects like Del Rosario, Cormier, another heavy handed fighter like Lavar Johnson, Big Overeem, and a deal with K-1 which means they have guys like Ray Sefo, and Gohkan Saki (according to his twitter) fighting for them this year. Not only is Strikeforce doing more with their HW division, they also have a much better one as well.

I agree with everything you said sir.. Phone Post

News flash, the HW division in general is weak.

Strikeforce has shills here now?

Tomato Can - News flash, the HW division in general is weak. The Strikeforce HW division looks a lot more interesting than the UFC MW division as well. Chris, Carl, and BLH know the deal.

Twostep - A shill? Strikeforce doesn't pay any bills of mine. I am an mma fan. Not a promotion fan. And any non-biased mma fan can see that Strikeforce has a much better HW division. If I saw Coker or Dana White walking down the street I would not care to talk to either one of them. It is about the fighters, not the promoters.

Great well thought out thread Phone Post

The UFC HW division has always been weak.

LOL at "much better". Both divisions are a couple of big talents and a bunch of semi-decent also-rans. They're basically the same, except for the fact that the UFC has the top 2 HW talents in the world.

This thread overstates its point.

Not a big poster, but this is by far the best post I've seen on the UG. I agree with everything except Fedor being the best fighter to date. He was but is not anymore. GSP & Silva are. (coming from #1 Fedor fan)

For mma "media" like the disgraceful sherdog etc. to rank Lesnar #2 right now OVER WERDUM AND FEDOR is a travesty. The fact that other blog sites like bloodyelbow etc. do not talk about it, and the fans write it off, shows me where we are at. A very troublesome time. To have a guy ranked #1 for 9 years, finally lose, to another very good fighter, and both ranked below Brock Lesnar coming off two pathetic performances in a two year period...it is a very bad sign about where this sport is headed. Whistleblower and Helwig have spoken on this much better than I could, but mma journalism is the lowest form of truth in all of sports media. And that says enough.

Nothing New Here People...Move Along Phone Post

Tomato Can - "LOL at "much better". Both divisions are a couple of big talents and a bunch of semi-decent also-rans. They're basically the same, except for the fact that the UFC has the top 2 HW talents in the world. This thread overstates its point."

JDS beat a Werdum 20 lbs. overweight who had no clue who he was. For a guy with an '01 join date you do not seem to have a realistic analysis of mma. I put Cain with the elite, but Overeem would take out JDS with vastly superior striking. Dos Santos struggled vs CC and cannot put together a combo involving other points of his body that are not his hands. The Reem would batter Roy Nelson senseless in a few minutes. We haven't even seen JDS' wrestling or ground game yet. The Strikeforce division is better from the top to the bottom and the prospects as well.

Mr Pulla - 
Tomato Can - LOL at "much better". Both divisions are a couple of big talents and a bunch of semi-decent also-rans. They're basically the same, except for the fact that the UFC has the top 2 HW talents in the world.

This thread overstates its point.


JDS beat a Werdum 20 lbs. overweight who had no clue who he was.


cool story bro. And this UFC washout submitted Fedor in under a min. Kinda really puts strikefarce's HW division in perspective doesn't it?

Haha at the 10er impersonating a traffic controller. You are the one that can keep it moving.

Thanks Barocked, I disagree, Fedor has a much better resume and career than GSP or Anderson in my opinion, but I appreciate your post.

Hahaha @ Carl Weathers. You have always been one of my favorite posters on here. Great job, and keep spreading the truth to the blind sheep.

THE DIVISIONS WEAK? YOUR WEAK! IVE BEEN WATCHING UFC FOR 15 YEARS...




FUCK YOU. THATS MY NAME.

sodagoespop - 
Mr Pulla - 
Tomato Can - LOL at "much better". Both divisions are a couple of big talents and a bunch of semi-decent also-rans. They're basically the same, except for the fact that the UFC has the top 2 HW talents in the world.

This thread overstates its point.


JDS beat a Werdum 20 lbs. overweight who had no clue who he was.


cool story bro. And this UFC washout submitted Fedor in under a min. Kinda really puts strikefarce's HW division in perspective doesn't it?


Yeah and Joaquim Ferreira tapped out JDS with an armbar in a minute and thirteen seconds. So I guess Sokoudjou is the king of mma right? Seeing as how he beat Ferreira? So I guess that means the Dream Super Hulk division is superior to the UFC's according to your logic right? The only perspective I gained was that you cannot be taken seriously are a waste of my time to engage in a discussion with. Thank you.

I think Carwin is a legit beast but other than that i agree.

The heavyweight waters aren't very deep in either organization. The UFC had done the better job of hyping it's fighters up until Strikeforce put together their heavyweight grand prix.

Strikeforce seems to have more of the best heavyweights in the world heading into 2011, especially since Cain looks to be out for most of the year.



Im trying to find something in the OP to bitch and complain about so I can VTFD TS


But I cant find one damn thing.. lol

Well written, good job Pulla

Oh and VTFU

 

Great post. VTFU. I can't imagine why people are so down on the SF tourney. Sure it could have problems, but so could any tournament. I love me some UFC, but those SF match ups are tasty!