cos your average mugger is not looking to kill someone, they are just after money.
Throwing my wallet on the floor for them is far less likely to get me shot than attempting some crazy arsed disarm drill that I can obviously never have trained in a live situation
When I took Krav the trainer had also competed in kick boxing and muay tai and has opened a school with the former two disciplines as well as bjj. He trained under Bas and is pretty bad ass and it emphasized a lot of striking and very minimal ground game along with some defense. The striking was very similar to muay tai with the clinch and elbows etc. The higher ranked guys would spar. Obviously no one could use just Krav in an mma fight, but it emphasizes techniques from other disciplines such as muay tai.
then he should call it muay thai.
stephen
It was still based on Krav principles so it wasn't a muay tai class
MMA is easily applicable to combatives/Krav Maga training.
Combatives/KMaga training is not easily applicable to MMA.
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dogface- we all dont live in your kill or be killed world, ill drop the wallet and call the cops later
It's a franchised thing
MODERN DAY MCDOJO CRAP
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MMA/BJJ has taught us that the only way to determine what techniques are real and the only way to get good at such techniques, is to practice them at full force against a resisting opponent.
This is simply not possible with Krav Maga. I therefore call bullshit.
Put me up against some Krav guy, and ill drop him on his head with a throw, and then arm bar the shit out of him in just a few seconds. He will never get a chance to eye gouge, throat strike, blah blah blah. It would be a bad beating.
ps. do you carry that book around with you?
ever hit an attacker with it?
radi1. it was great.
stephen
So we should try to avoid injury?
And we should strike the vulnerable places? Instead of the more durable ones?
Revolutionary stuff.
"moti horenstein steamrolled through the early ufc's with his deadly krav maga techniques. "
He was the Isreali comando right? He was destroyed
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I think moti was a "Survival" specialist not KM
I wouldn't be silly enough to say that someone who trains only in Krav could compete in an mma match...that's just not sane. But why does everyone hate the idea of krav so much. No one is claiming that it is superior to bjj. Yes it is very true that sparring is necessary in fighting, but people in Krav 3 do spar. It's a great thing for people who don't have the time to train as intensely in bjj or muay tai and also good for women and children to learn some self defense and offense. It's not threatening to take over bjj so why is everyone so hostile towards it. Take it for what it is.
Took a dozen or more Krav Maga classes for the hell of it and was disappointed. As with every practioneer of their art they claim superiority over others but won't fully display the lethality of the art. Everything seems to work from the clinch and the main objective is to strike first, throat punch, eye gouge, etc. I asked how you would defend agaisnt a boxer or muay thai practioneer and they always want you to clinch and use dirty tactics. Or throw a leg kick to outside knee to break the guys leg, like you would ever have a chance. Krav Maga doesn't teach you how to close distance so any fighter just needs to keep range, close distance, throw combo and get out. You can pick any Krav Maga practioneer apart this way. I've only seen one Krav Maga guy ever fight and he fought a amateur boxer and got KTFO.
A gimmick? It is what it is. Its not meant to be taken into the cage for one on one mma competition. Its meant to teach people striking and self defense for a street fight. Obviously in a one on one situation bjj is far superior, but what happens when 3 guys come at you...are you putting one guy in an arm bar while the other 2 pummel the shit out of you? I have the utmost respect for bjj, muay tai, and other disciplines. Krav is for people who may not have the time to train like some of you guys do, and its not meant for the cage, but why all the hate. Its good for some people to learn. Evertyhing doesn't have to be for an mma fight, its nice to know some striking and defense. Everyone here is acting like krav is trying to claim superiorty and they are getting their feathers ruffled. Let people who like krav for what it is go with it, and if you can kick their ass congrats....you are a tough guy. Realize that some people are doctors or professionals who don't have the time or desire to train bjj or others and if you can't do that then its nice to get some knowledge of striking and self defense. Quit taking this as a challenge to your manhood because it isn't.
LOL @ this thread and all the things being attributed to KM.
KM by itself is a generic H2H program for the Israeli Military. It is not unique. It borrows "moves" from Karate, Jujutsu, etc and teaches them as a hodge podge of techniques for various "street attacks". It is the same formula used by most traditional martial arts in the SD curriculums.
With the commercialization of it, KM has taken on a "near Ninja" like status within it's ranks. KM is erroneously credited with IDF toughness which is a bit of a joke. IDF is tough because they live and work in a tough environment, not because of the supreme efficiency of KM. That toughness is not something that they can package and sell to people not familiar with that environment, no matter how much they try.
Moti Horenstein (met him. cool guy) is as legit a KM representative as you will find. He calls it "Survival Hisardut" though but the core elements are the same. Still, he is a tough guy because he has a lot of fight experience, a soldier and is a pro MMA fighter, not because he does "KM" or some other such brand of "martial arts".
"Poor Moti, if I recall his first UFC was against a young in his prime Coleman. Then his return to the UFC was against a in his prime Kerr. No matter what he had no chance at 200-215 pounds."
Exactly. Those two were pretty hard to beat back then.
I don't take Krav, but it was offered at my old BJJ school, so I have a bit of familiarity with it (plus I've read the previous 500 threads on the topic here).
From what I gather, the Krav training ranges from pretty good, with hard sparring and serious emphasis on conditioning to, well, not.
You can get certified to teach Krav really, really easily. Two guys I know from BJJ (both blue belts) watched the videos once, spent a few days at the main Krav place in LA, and got certified.
Oh, and they beat down everyone in the class during sparring like it was UFC 1.
But very few, if any, people take Krav with the idea of going toe to toe in the ring against a BJJ guy MMA guy or whatever. They're looking for self defense. So it's not really relevent whether or not you can kick a Krav guy's butt. Beating an untrained person is a totally different question.
BTW, no one has made the "jew jitsu" comment here yet. Are you guys slipping?
"In the dozens of MMA shows I've seen on tape that allowed throat strikes.I've never seen a successful strike to the throat."
Everyone should read that post.
As an ex KF practictioner, I've sparred guys where we 'allowed' eye pokes and no one ever got hit in the eye. Its very difficult to target that accurately in a fight.
In my neighborhood, being mugged is akin to being murdered. Because they go hand in hand. It's crazy, like 78% of the muggings end in homocide of the vic. So yea, I'll risk that crazy ass disarm drill, if I was mugged.