Very interesting new interview w/Shawn Tompkins of Tapout where he breaks down some matchups on the horizon.
Tompkins in particular analyzes vitor vs. Anderson silva and explains exactly why and how he feels Vitor would win. He also claims that Vitor's BJJ is FAR superior, "ten times better" and that Anderson would not be able to bully vitor like all his other recent opponents since Chonan lol.
Tompkins also talks about Randy vs Toney, Josh Gross saying he cost Coleman the fight against couture and tons more.
Vitor is the only good amtchup for Anderson at 185, this Sonnen fight is a waste of time.
Noone wants to see Anderson fgiht the likes of Leites, Cote, Sonnen and Irvin, he eneds to move up to 205 permanently and fight top competition, MW has always been the weakest division in MMA.
Steamfitter - How much is Tompkins being paid by Vitor for training? I remember how much Bas talked up Kimbo until the cheques stopped coming....
I think Bas asked him to leave while the checks were still coming & stopped talking good about him, because Kimbo stopped trying as hard; which is why he asked him to leave.
IrishRottie - vitor is unreal at passing and controlling guys but Anderson is better at applying submissions, has a better guard.
Anderson has only 2 submissions wins in his record though, one over Dan Henderson who was already daze from some punches ans also is not a ground fighter, and another one over a gassed out Travis Lutter (who took him down and mounted him) .
Vitor might not have won a lot fights by sub, but he does have better grappling skills than Anderson. (Vitor also took 3rd Place in the ADCC Tournament).
Vitor might not be "10x" better than Anderson on the ground, but he's definitely better at a point where he can sub Anderson, or at least controlling him down without any risks of getting subbed by Anderson's guard.
IrishRottie - vitor is unreal at passing and controlling guys but Anderson is better at applying submissions, has a better guard.
Anderson has only 2 submissions wins in his record though, one over Dan Henderson who was already daze from some punches ans also is not a ground fighter, and another one over a gassed out Travis Lutter (who took him down and mounted him) .
Vitor might not have won a lot fights by sub, but he does have better grappling skills than Anderson. (Vitor also took 3rd Place in the ADCC Tournament).
Vitor might not be "10x" better than Anderson on the ground, but he's definitely better at a point where he can sub Anderson, or at least controlling him down without any risks of getting subbed by Anderson's guard.
he's had 4. however, the other two were tapping due to strikes. anderson!!!!
IrishRottie - vitor is unreal at passing and controlling guys but Anderson is better at applying submissions, has a better guard.
Anderson has only 2 submissions wins in his record though, one over Dan Henderson who was already daze from some punches ans also is not a ground fighter, and another one over a gassed out Travis Lutter (who took him down and mounted him) . <div>Vitor might not have won a lot fights by sub, but he does have better grappling skills than Anderson. (Vitor also took 3rd Place in the ADCC Tournament).
Vitor might not be "10x" better than Anderson on the ground, but he's definitely better at a point where he can sub Anderson, or at least controlling him down without any risks of getting subbed by Anderson's guard.</div>
But Vinnie, Vitor only has 2 subs as well, on much lesser opponents than Anderson's. Can't really compare Dan Henderson to Joe Charles or Bobby Southworth. Vitor couldn't sub Henderson after all. In MMA Anderson has more impressive submission skills. We all know Roberto Traven is a great sport grappler, but Frank Mir subbed him. If Vitor could barely sub people in ADCC, with no strikes, chances are in MMA, Anderson is more likely to sub him than the reverse, despite any positional skills that Vitor "might" posess.
EckY - MW has always been the weakest division in MMA.
I disagree. Historically the Heavyweight division as a whole has always been the weakest, especially in the UFC.
Rather noobish perspective on "Historically." Because "Historically," the MW division has barely even existed for MOST of MMA history, let alone been developed and fully fleshed out - where the 185 division in the UFC had lain largely stagnant all the way up until 2005, when they finally brought back title-contention to it (after Busta had left years earlier as Champ, soon after becoming so) - and a 183 division did not even exist at all in Pride until 2005 as well.
There has been more depth and EASILY more top fighters competing "Historically" in the HW division than there have been in the MW division. Or are you even going to try to argue that MW was stronger or deeper than HW up to 2005, before the MW division was even widely competed in?
(And btw, the first two 185 champions in the UFC were two guys who couldn't cut it at the championship level at 205 - and thus moved down to a shallower, barely-developed weight class in 185 instead. And up until Anderson came into the UFC MW division in 2006, the "#1 contenders" there had been Loiseau and Quarry [LOL] - and all Anderson had to do to become "#1 contender" himself was beat Leben. While at the same time, Misaki was also a top-5 MW in MMA.)
Should I post some historical top-10 lists for you for both HW and MW as well? You would see that at MW, fighters who were not even competing at MW needed to be added just to fill out a list of 10 for the division. (Some of them are actually quite funny, btw.)
And even today, recent MW "#1 contenders" like Cote, Leites, and Maia have hardly been stronger than their counterparts at HW - and the top-10 at MW overall has not been stronger "as a whole" than at HW as well - both since and, obviously, especially before 2005. (I.e, especially "Historically.")
JW West - Again, does this make Overeem better than Vitor at subs?
Overeem wobbled Belfort with strikes and then finished him with a guillotine (his best sub), in pure grappling I am sure Belfort is better than both Anderson and Overeem. I think Vitor has an excellent chance of beating Anderson.
EckY - MW has always been the weakest division in MMA.
I disagree. Historically the Heavyweight division as a whole has always been the weakest, especially in the UFC.
Rather noobish perspective on "Historically." Because "Historically," the MW division has barely even existed for MOST of MMA history, let alone been developed and fully fleshed out - where the 185 division in the UFC had lain largely stagnant all the way up until 2005, when they finally brought back title-contention to it (after Busta had left years earlier as Champ, soon after becoming so) - and a 183 division did not even exist at all in Pride until 2005 as well.
There has been more depth and EASILY more top fighters competing "Historically" in the HW division than there have been in the MW division. Or are you even going to try to argue that MW was stronger or deeper than HW up to 2005, before the MW division was even widely competed in?
(And btw, the first two 185 champions in the UFC were two guys who couldn't cut it at the championship level at 205 - and thus moved down to a shallower, barely-developed weight class in 185 instead. And up until Anderson came into the UFC MW division in 2006, the "#1 contenders" there had been Loiseau and Quarry [LOL] - and all Anderson had to do to become "#1 contender" himself was beat Leben. While at the same time, Misaki was also a top-5 MW in MMA.)
Should I post some historical top-10 lists for you for both HW and MW as well? You would see that at MW, fighters who were not even competing at MW needed to be added just to fill out a list of 10 for the division. (Some of them are actually quite funny, btw.)
And even today, recent MW "#1 contenders" like Cote, Leites, and Maia have hardly been stronger than their counterparts at HW - and the top-10 at MW overall has not been stronger "as a whole" than at HW as well - both since and, obviously, especially before 2005. (I.e, especially "Historically.")
Tompkins was right. Anderson Silva does not like to get hit. He constantly tries to move away from his opponents. I don't think he'll be able to do that with Vitor.
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