You decide to take a shot at a game way outside your bankroll. You have a great run of cards and turn your $1000 buy in into $10K. $10K is the average stack size at the table (you bought in for the minimum). You decide that the $10K is enough and that you will leave the table after one more hand. You're dealt pocket aces on the button. UTG raises to 5X, and to your surprise EVERYONE CALLS. These people are wealthy maniacs and you cant be sure that if you make a big reraise, short of shoving possibly, that you'll isolate any of them.
Do you shove? Call and see the flop? Reraise to 5X his bet? Fold because you dont want to get into a multiway pot that big, even with aces?
If $10K isnt big enough, then imagine limits much higher...as if you took your shot, it paid off, and now you are in a position where you know you have the best hand but you'll probably have to play it against several other players for a good chunk or all of your stack.
I guess my reason for asking this is to know if you are willing to risk any amount if you know you have the best hand, even if your advantage is a relatively slim one.
andre - I guess my reason for asking this is to know if you are willing to risk any amount if you know you have the best hand, even if your advantage is a relatively slim one.
You have a HUGE advantage...
sure agianst 3-4 callers you may be even money small favorite or small dog..but you be getting 3-1 or 4-1 on your shove if called..
But if you lose the 10 k and you cant play anymore at all ...you keep the pot small and dont go broke with the hand.
Thats when playing for a living can be compliocated, if your roll is to small for game you play , then you have to play a low variance type of game and use pot control stratedgies to stay out of big marginal pots..
you have AA go broke!
So what did you do Andreh.....lol!!
wreckker -andre - I guess my reason for asking this is to know if you are willing to risk any amount if you know you have the best hand, even if your advantage is a relatively slim one.
You have a HUGE advantage...
sure agianst 3-4 callers you may be even money small favorite or small dog..but you be getting 3-1 or 4-1 on your shove if called..
But if you lose the 10 k and you cant play anymore at all ...you keep the pot small and dont go broke with the hand.
Thats when playing for a living can be compliocated, if your roll is to small for game you play , then you have to play a low variance type of game and use pot control stratedgies to stay out of big marginal pots..
you have AA go broke!
This is the reason I have been staying away from the no limit/no cap buy in game even though the two times I played it, I made a decent profit. I dont want to be in a position where Im afraid to commit all of my chips to the point where I have to turn down the obvious right play because Im worried about variance.
Tartan warrior -So what did you do Andreh.....lol!!
lol! PURELY hypothetical!!!!!
Seriously! Just thought of it when I considered what conditions there had to be for someone to fold AA preflop in a cash game. In a tourney there are a few obvious spots where folding is correct.
Vector, I agree. Just trying to define those very rare situations in which one would knowingly fold the best hand ( in cash). Bankroll is obviously the key factor.
Im shoving and making it ultra obvious what I have, short of just saying "I have aces"
I'd literally say before shoving, "I have the best possible hand, if you have a pair, you are drawing to two outs! SSSHHHHAZAAAAAM"
if you go broke, you really mostly just lost one buyin. in a situation where that buy in was my entire roll, id probably shove because obviously im drunk and stopped giving a fuck about my life already anyhow
There is a time when its EASY to laydown aces preflop
Super satelites...
much easier to lay down aces in tourny situations than cash games but if you're playing for your roll, you're essentially in a tournament
Cash game? If the amount of money on the table makes you even consider folding in that spot, you shouldn't have it on the table in the first place.
Your hypothetical player should have walked a long time ago.
Me? Depending on what's in the pot (you don't mention blind sizes), I either shove or raise the hell out of it.
The only thing in this world that makes me think about folding is if I suspect I'm being dealt a cooler, in which case I quietly much and cash out, making a note to never play there again.