Trump: Best Case, Worst Case

Regardless of your political position...

What do you think is the best case for supporting Trump? What do you think Trump does well? In other words, why might someone legitimately support him?

On the flip side, what is the best reason to oppose Trump? What does Trump do badly? In other words, why might someone legitimately oppose him?

Please answer BOTH questions.

Best: partisanship -- you want right-leaning judges and policy. He excels at speaking to his base, utilizing rhetorical flourishes, and is a good front man in the culture war as he's adept at talking shit.

Worst: actually governing the country, furthering post-truth politics, dehumanizing and making a generalized enemy out of his political opponents without regard for the 100 million+ liberals he represents, general embarrassment re: a casino owner & a corporate branding demagogue reaching the highest office of a once noble nation

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

Best: partisanship -- you want right-leaning judges and policy. He excels at speaking to his base, utilizing rhetorical flourishes, and is a good front man in the culture war as he's adept at talking shit.


Worst: actually governing the country, furthering post-truth politics, dehumanizing and making a generalized enemy out of his political opponents without regard for the 100 million+ liberals he represents, general embarrassment re: a casino owner & a corporate branding demagogue reaching the highest office of a once noble nation


This seems pretty fair to me.

He's a shovel, but sometimes you need a scalpel.

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -

Best: partisanship -- you want right-leaning judges and policy. He excels at speaking to his base, utilizing rhetorical flourishes, and is a good front man in the culture war as he's adept at talking shit.


Worst: actually governing the country, furthering post-truth politics, dehumanizing and making a generalized enemy out of his political opponents without regard for the 100 million+ liberals he represents, general embarrassment re: a casino owner & a corporate branding demagogue reaching the highest office of a once noble nation

Nailed it. 

Best he hasn’t used the pandemic to seize more power to the executive branch, and economically he lets the markets work. 
Worst he’s an abrasive ass hole that can’t let anything he perceives as a slight go. 

Best- he at least gets basic principles such as fair trade, manufacturing. Patriotism and speaks out against the corruption of the media. Worst- he doesn’t elected

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus -

Best: partisanship -- you want right-leaning judges and policy. He excels at speaking to his base, utilizing rhetorical flourishes, and is a good front man in the culture war as he's adept at talking shit.

Worst: actually governing the country, furthering post-truth politics, dehumanizing and making a generalized enemy out of his political opponents without regard for the 100 million+ liberals he represents, general embarrassment re: a casino owner & a corporate branding demagogue reaching the highest office of a once noble nation

You're best case isn't far off, but you've framed it from a hyper partisan, leftist POV.  Conservative judges are a strong factor for supporting Trump.  That is because we want to preserve the Constitution.  That document is the basis for the greatest nation that has been created on this Earth.  The left is seeking to systematically dismantle the document, calling it outdated, and seeks to replace it with ideas that will lead to the erosion of the individual rights of citizens.

He is good at rallying the base, and his shit talking is on point, and very useful in pointing out the absurdities of his opposition.  He isn't neccessarily a great leader, but he does get things done, and he does motivate the base.  The right as been complacent for so long, someone that can motivate the right is needed now to push back against the extreme left agenda.

 

Worst case, he's a narcissist.  As a supporter, even I acknowledge that.  I think it drives him toward doing to right thing for the country, because he wants to be seen as a great president.  But many can stand his vanity, and the fact that he's not always reserved and diplomatic.  He's clearly flawed man, and he wears those flaws on his sleeve, instead of hiding them in the closet like the polititians we are used to.  Some people can't deal with that, and want the sanitized perception of their leaders, instead of one that is laid bare with all sins and flaws exposed for the world to see.   

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Best: his economy is/was strong, he speaks his mind and doesn’t care if your feelings get hurt. 

Worst: his ego can be his worst enemy at times. He’s abrasive therefore people tend to dismiss everything he does just because of a personality conflict.  He hasn’t drained the swamp and has fallen in line with the Republican bosses

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Pro: He stands up to China.

Con: He could lead the to the end of the America experiment 

 

Hippias12345 - Regardless of your political position...

What do you think is the best case for supporting Trump? What do you think Trump does well? In other words, why might someone legitimately support him?

On the flip side, what is the best reason to oppose Trump? What does Trump do badly? In other words, why might someone legitimately oppose him?

Please answer BOTH questions.


HE IS NOT JOE BIDEN.


HE WILL SELECT CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.

HE HAS NOT STARTED ANY NEW WARS.

THE ECONOMY WAS A-BOOMIN PRE COVID.


I dont really care about much else.

 

On the flip side, If you really like social justice virture parades and sucking chinas dick, I guess joe biden is the right choice. 

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Brockback Mountain - 
Hippias12345 - Regardless of your political position...

What do you think is the best case for supporting Trump? What do you think Trump does well? In other words, why might someone legitimately support him?

On the flip side, what is the best reason to oppose Trump? What does Trump do badly? In other words, why might someone legitimately oppose him?

Please answer BOTH questions.


HE IS NOT JOE BIDEN.


HE WILL SELECT CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.

HE HAS NOT STARTED ANY NEW WARS.

THE ECONOMY WAS A-BOOMIN PRE COVID.


I dont really care about much else.

 

On the flip side, If you really like social justice virture parades and sucking chinas dick, I guess joe biden is the right choice. 


At least you've thought carefully and open-mindedly about the other side.

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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

Best: partisanship -- you want right-leaning judges and policy. He excels at speaking to his base, utilizing rhetorical flourishes, and is a good front man in the culture war as he's adept at talking shit.


Worst: actually governing the country, furthering post-truth politics, dehumanizing and making a generalized enemy out of his political opponents without regard for the 100 million+ liberals he represents, general embarrassment re: a casino owner & a corporate branding demagogue reaching the highest office of a once noble nation


You didn't think record low unemployment across demographics was significant?  


What about not getting us into a war in Syria?  


What about decimating ISIS? 


What about prison reform?  

He has some policy successes, sure. I didn't list out the policy failures either. 

Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 
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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

Best: partisanship -- you want right-leaning judges and policy. He excels at speaking to his base, utilizing rhetorical flourishes, and is a good front man in the culture war as he's adept at talking shit.


Worst: actually governing the country, furthering post-truth politics, dehumanizing and making a generalized enemy out of his political opponents without regard for the 100 million+ liberals he represents, general embarrassment re: a casino owner & a corporate branding demagogue reaching the highest office of a once noble nation


You didn't think record low unemployment across demographics was significant?  


What about not getting us into a war in Syria?  


What about decimating ISIS? 


What about prison reform?  

He has some policy successes, sure. I didn't list out the policy failures either. 


Wasn't the unemployment rate falling steadily since 2011 (i.e. for most of Obama's presidency), and it has simply continued to decline at roughly the same rate? If so, doesn't that suggest that Trump's policies might not be directly responsible for the unemployment numbers?

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Best: I'm now rich and my parents are making a comeback from the worst 8 yrs of my father's 45yr business.

 

Worst: he doesn't care much for people's feelings and he gives the other side fuel to destroy people's lives.

Best: He's the guy we need.

Worst: He's not the guy we want.

VinegarStrokes -

Best he hasn’t used the pandemic to seize more power to the executive branch, and economically he lets the markets work. 
Worst he’s an abrasive ass hole that can’t let anything he perceives as a slight go. 

This is accurate. 

Hippias12345 -
Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 
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Pumpkin Spice Lazarus - 

Best: partisanship -- you want right-leaning judges and policy. He excels at speaking to his base, utilizing rhetorical flourishes, and is a good front man in the culture war as he's adept at talking shit.


Worst: actually governing the country, furthering post-truth politics, dehumanizing and making a generalized enemy out of his political opponents without regard for the 100 million+ liberals he represents, general embarrassment re: a casino owner & a corporate branding demagogue reaching the highest office of a once noble nation


You didn't think record low unemployment across demographics was significant?  


What about not getting us into a war in Syria?  


What about decimating ISIS? 


What about prison reform?  

He has some policy successes, sure. I didn't list out the policy failures either. 


Wasn't the unemployment rate falling steadily since 2011 (i.e. for most of Obama's presidency), and it has simply continued to decline at roughly the same rate? If so, doesn't that suggest that Trump's policies might not be directly responsible for the unemployment numbers?

Where did you expect the rate to go coming out of the worst recession in 70 years? Down?