Trumptards refuse to answer this

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All joking aside, even though there is no hard evidence, I think this is probably the first time we've had improprieties and fraud on this large of a scale.  I don't think it would have ever happened if Trump were a controlled establishment candidate.  But the intelligence communities along with the establishment left and right both desperately wanted him out.  Especially the CIA and FBI.  There's no way in hell they were going to let that Barr - Durham report go to completion.  I think it was a concerted effort by those entities to get rid of Trump.  They won't do it again unless another populist runs.  They would have done it to Bernie as well.

Why are you asserting fraud on a large scale?

You do know that Trump’s team has been deliberately throwing as much shit at the fan as possible just to stink the place up, and sour-grapes Trump voters are desperate to look for and accept anything as fraud (Look at this video I found of someone burning Trump voters ballots!!!")

The “tell” in the con is that Trump’s team can yell “fraud” all they want on social media and to the media, but they know they can’t lie in court about evidence they don’t have, or risk being disbarred. Which is why they tend to be backpeddling the claims of fraud once in front of a judge.

For instance:


In one of several Pennsylvania cases, Trump attorneys actually signed a legal document in which they stated,

"Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any undue influence committed with respect to the challenged ballots."


Even Giuliani, the most rabid conspiracy monger on the team, has had to waffle once in court.

"In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged "widespread, nationwide voter fraud" in his opening remarks. But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. "This is not a fraud case," Giuliani later admitted. In the same case, Trump lawyer Linda Kearns said explicitly that she is "not proceeding" on allegations of fraud."


Trump’s cases have been failing and thrown out over and over.

Nothing about fraud is holding up in court! Why wouldn’t you at least wait until any case has passed the evidential demands of a court to conclude there is “large scale fraud?” Isn’t that the reasonable thing to do?

Otherwise, it seems like you’ve just allowed yourself to fall for the bullshit. As they say “If you can’t see the con; you’r the mark.”

If all you’ve got are things like “but look at all the stuff posted on social media showing fraud!” or have built up just some huge sense of suspicion of fraud, that is EXACTLY what Trump’s team wants out of you! They don’t need to (and likely don’t intend) to actually convince anyone in a court.

They just have to make all these moves, throwing “suspicious” after “suspicious” claim at the wall in order to create the feeling “something is up” so you have countless Trumpers saying “Look, even if the courts aren’t seeing it, SOMETHING is going on. I KNOW there’s SOME SORT OF FUCKERY.”

This is Trump’s exit strategy. Don’t be a dupe and fall for it.

 

As I said, it's not backed by hard evidence.  

But we had multiple incedents on video of Republican poll watchers being refused access to watch the tabulation.  In Detroit, video of them boarding up the poll watchers at the window so they couldn't see what was going on.  Another video I saw was that they were still being refused entry even after a judge had to intervene and order them to be allowed in.  And then other polling stations where after being allowed inside, they were kept 25 feet back instead of the required 6 feet.  And they've given no explanation for this other than "covid concerns" which we know is complete bullshit.

If this was all reversed and it were Democratic poll watchers being turned away at the doors I would be saying the Republicans cheated.

Other indirect evidence is Joe getting the most votes in American history when he couldn't get 100 people to show up at his rallies while Trump was getting 57,000.

But as I said, I think the Dems and Never Trumpers were only complicit but that the source of the cheating was straight from the intelligence community..   Like Chuck Shumer said, Trump was stupid to fuck with the CIA and FBI because they have seven ways to Sunday to get you back.  And I think that's exactly what they did.

And no, I'm not getting suckered by anything Trump or Guiliani is saying.  I'm not even paying attention to the lawsuits.  My opinion is based strictly on what I posted above.

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So, the elite have the ability to cheat in elections, whenever they want, and they just figured “Clinton will probably win so let’s only cheat a lil bit”. And it turns out it wasn’t enough. And, nobody noticed anything specific, even though trump says that time also there was millions of illegal votes.

but *this* time, they turned the dial a little bit to cheat more, and it turns out it was just enough, but now everyone is on to them.

makes sense.

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So, the elite have the ability to cheat in elections, whenever they want, and they just figured “Clinton will probably win so let’s only cheat a lil bit”. And it turns out it wasn’t enough. And, nobody noticed anything specific, even though trump says that time also there was millions of illegal votes.

but *this* time, they turned the dial a little bit to cheat more, and it turns out it was just enough, but now everyone is on to them.

makes sense.

Super plausible bro

The polls made them cocky as they pretty much declared Hilary was going to win. They were caught off Gaurd and were unable to make up the difference to put her over.

The same thing happened this election but they were somewhat prepared. They had Biden so far ahead but once they saw Trump was winning they stopped counting. This gave them time to do massive Biden vote drops. Never in my life have you heard of multiple states just say they are going home and stopping counting. 

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MMALOGIC - 

they werent prepared in 2016 because people still believed the polls.  this time they got prepared with mail in voting.

Polls and predicted winners haven’t been dependable since the “Dewey Wins!” debacle in 19-freaking-48.

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Soup and Beer - 

All joking aside, even though there is no hard evidence, I think this is probably the first time we've had improprieties and fraud on this large of a scale.  I don't think it would have ever happened if Trump were a controlled establishment candidate.  But the intelligence communities along with the establishment left and right both desperately wanted him out.  Especially the CIA and FBI.  There's no way in hell they were going to let that Barr - Durham report go to completion.  I think it was a concerted effort by those entities to get rid of Trump.  They won't do it again unless another populist runs.  They would have done it to Bernie as well.

Why are you asserting fraud on a large scale?

You do know that Trump’s team has been deliberately throwing as much shit at the fan as possible just to stink the place up, and sour-grapes Trump voters are desperate to look for and accept anything as fraud (Look at this video I found of someone burning Trump voters ballots!!!")

The “tell” in the con is that Trump’s team can yell “fraud” all they want on social media and to the media, but they know they can’t lie in court about evidence they don’t have, or risk being disbarred. Which is why they tend to be backpeddling the claims of fraud once in front of a judge.

For instance:


In one of several Pennsylvania cases, Trump attorneys actually signed a legal document in which they stated,

"Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any undue influence committed with respect to the challenged ballots."

Even Giuliani, the most rabid conspiracy monger on the team, has had to waffle once in court.

“In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in his opening remarks. But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. “This is not a fraud case,” Giuliani later admitted. In the same case, Trump lawyer Linda Kearns said explicitly that she is “not proceeding” on allegations of fraud.”


Trump’s cases have been failing and thrown out over and over.

Nothing about fraud is holding up in court! Why wouldn’t you at least wait until any case has passed the evidential demands of a court to conclude there is “large scale fraud?” Isn’t that the reasonable thing to do?

Otherwise, it seems like you’ve just allowed yourself to fall for the bullshit. As they say “If you can’t see the con; you’r the mark.”

If all you’ve got are things like “but look at all the stuff posted on social media showing fraud!” or have built up just some huge sense of suspicion of fraud, that is EXACTLY what Trump’s team wants out of you! They don’t need to (and likely don’t intend) to actually convince anyone in a court.

They just have to make all these moves, throwing “suspicious” after “suspicious” claim at the wall in order to create the feeling “something is up” so you have countless Trumpers saying “Look, even if the courts aren’t seeing it, SOMETHING is going on. I KNOW there’s SOME SORT OF FUCKERY.”

This is Trump’s exit strategy. Don’t be a dupe and fall for it.

This is one of the best posts I’ve seen on this forum. Too bad trumptards won’t read it.

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prof -
Soup and Beer - 

All joking aside, even though there is no hard evidence, I think this is probably the first time we've had improprieties and fraud on this large of a scale.  I don't think it would have ever happened if Trump were a controlled establishment candidate.  But the intelligence communities along with the establishment left and right both desperately wanted him out.  Especially the CIA and FBI.  There's no way in hell they were going to let that Barr - Durham report go to completion.  I think it was a concerted effort by those entities to get rid of Trump.  They won't do it again unless another populist runs.  They would have done it to Bernie as well.

Why are you asserting fraud on a large scale?

You do know that Trump’s team has been deliberately throwing as much shit at the fan as possible just to stink the place up, and sour-grapes Trump voters are desperate to look for and accept anything as fraud (Look at this video I found of someone burning Trump voters ballots!!!")

The “tell” in the con is that Trump’s team can yell “fraud” all they want on social media and to the media, but they know they can’t lie in court about evidence they don’t have, or risk being disbarred. Which is why they tend to be backpeddling the claims of fraud once in front of a judge.

For instance:


In one of several Pennsylvania cases, Trump attorneys actually signed a legal document in which they stated,

"Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any undue influence committed with respect to the challenged ballots."

Even Giuliani, the most rabid conspiracy monger on the team, has had to waffle once in court.

“In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in his opening remarks. But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. “This is not a fraud case,” Giuliani later admitted. In the same case, Trump lawyer Linda Kearns said explicitly that she is “not proceeding” on allegations of fraud.”


Trump’s cases have been failing and thrown out over and over.

Nothing about fraud is holding up in court! Why wouldn’t you at least wait until any case has passed the evidential demands of a court to conclude there is “large scale fraud?” Isn’t that the reasonable thing to do?

Otherwise, it seems like you’ve just allowed yourself to fall for the bullshit. As they say “If you can’t see the con; you’r the mark.”

If all you’ve got are things like “but look at all the stuff posted on social media showing fraud!” or have built up just some huge sense of suspicion of fraud, that is EXACTLY what Trump’s team wants out of you! They don’t need to (and likely don’t intend) to actually convince anyone in a court.

They just have to make all these moves, throwing “suspicious” after “suspicious” claim at the wall in order to create the feeling “something is up” so you have countless Trumpers saying “Look, even if the courts aren’t seeing it, SOMETHING is going on. I KNOW there’s SOME SORT OF FUCKERY.”

This is Trump’s exit strategy. Don’t be a dupe and fall for it.

Amazing post as you describe it the way it really is. Too bad it will fall on deaf ears and those in serious denial. 

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Were you living under a rock in 2016? 

 

They were pretty convinced Hillary was going to win by a landslide. You don’t remember the absolute shock on election night? 

Flavorful - I've said this in a couple threads but Trumptards shut their eyes and pretend they didn't see it.

In 2012, Trump tweeted that Romney votes had been changed to Obama, making it a rigged election.

In 2020, he claimed the same thing about himself.

If the Democrats are that powerful and manipulative, how is it possible that when Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, the most powerful and crooked Democrat of them all, he was able to win?

serra vs gsp 1

Not to mention the grift keeps tightening.

Apparently the “fine print” for solicitation of donations to Trump’s mission has changed from 60% to now 75% of the funds may actually be funneled elsewhere (e.g. Trump’s legal bills, post election stuff etc).

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Flavorful - I've said this in a couple threads but Trumptards shut their eyes and pretend they didn't see it.

In 2012, Trump tweeted that Romney votes had been changed to Obama, making it a rigged election.

In 2020, he claimed the same thing about himself.

If the Democrats are that powerful and manipulative, how is it possible that when Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, the most powerful and crooked Democrat of them all, he was able to win?

easy phaggotr

they thought they had it so in the bag they didnt bother rigging the election

Flavorful - I've said this in a couple threads but Trumptards shut their eyes and pretend they didn't see it.

In 2012, Trump tweeted that Romney votes had been changed to Obama, making it a rigged election.

In 2020, he claimed the same thing about himself.

If the Democrats are that powerful and manipulative, how is it possible that when Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, the most powerful and crooked Democrat of them all, he was able to win?

I can answer that. Lt. General Tom McInerney, one of the list respected Military officers of our time talked about this a few days before this election. Right before he told us what was going to happen in this election. Spot on.  Go look it up. He said that they weighted the election for Hilary, but just like this election they couldn’t imagine that Trump would get that many more votes. He said they attempted to go in and make the algorithm more aggressive, but someone intervened. He said this is also why she is so angry. Had they weighted the voting another tenth point up from the beginning she would have won by a very slight margin.  I believe him. I mean he said on Nov. 1st how this election would go. Howbthe Dominion Machines change the votes. Its widely known that Dennis Montgomery, former Cia Operative built the software and app Hammer and Scorecard to help meddle.in foreign elections that were already using hacked Dominion Voting Machines. The Dominion Machines were built for Hugo Chavez to win his elections. Dennis Montgomery and Lt. Gen. McInerney are both willing to testify for Trump’s side.

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Magaloids never concede

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Carter elominated dem.party they were completely finished landslide 12yrs in a.row then they started cheating

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Flavorful - I've said this in a couple threads but Trumptards shut their eyes and pretend they didn't see it.

In 2012, Trump tweeted that Romney votes had been changed to Obama, making it a rigged election.

In 2020, he claimed the same thing about himself.

If the Democrats are that powerful and manipulative, how is it possible that when Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, the most powerful and crooked Democrat of them all, he was able to win?

You have to understand how election fraud actually works. There’s a such called vote shaving where it will take X percent and shift it over. So that way it is left perceptible and if you do that all across the board then it should be let’s detectable. It’s an algorithm. That’s why the Democrats or the Republicans don’t want to get rid of the diebold machines or electronic voting is because they both engage in manipulation. When I say the Democrats and Republicans what I really mean is those that are part of the establishment. The problem with Hillary was that they didn’t set the markers for the algorithm high enough to actually steal election. Meaning that Trump actually had a lot higher vote count then they anticipated. Now that’s not coming from me waving my conspiracy wand around, but rather it was the individual that runs blackboxvoting.org if I remember the website correctly. I think her name is Deborah but she also made a documentary about how the votes are stolen. Ironically she’s a Democrat and it was 2000 campaign with bush and Gore that lit a fire under her ass

Flavorful - I've said this in a couple threads but Trumptards shut their eyes and pretend they didn't see it.

In 2012, Trump tweeted that Romney votes had been changed to Obama, making it a rigged election.

In 2020, he claimed the same thing about himself.

If the Democrats are that powerful and manipulative, how is it possible that when Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, the most powerful and crooked Democrat of them all, he was able to win?

Well sir Trump was not as hated as he is now. 

The libtards would have sacrificed their first born child to get Trump out of office. You guys have a weird hate for Trump so that is why the libtards committed Fraud to try and get Trump out. 

Its not over yet though so we shall see.

So why was it ok for libatrds to yell fraud when Trump won and not claim him as president for the last 4 years but, its not ok for Republicans to do that with Biden? Just curious??

Maybe “the algorithm” was stored on hunter Biden’s laptop, and that’s how Rudy knows about it now

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OGers talking about “the algorithm”

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Hillary was a retarded cunt though....

Hot sauce in my bag swag killed the black vote... It was just too obvious....

She is cringe incarnate...

That, and calling 40 million people or so “deplorable”, in addition to openly advocating open borders at a Goldman speaking engagement probably turned some people off. 

 

Also, no one though Trump had ANY realistic chance of winning, up to and including, in election day. 

Flavorful - I've said this in a couple threads but Trumptards shut their eyes and pretend they didn't see it.

In 2012, Trump tweeted that Romney votes had been changed to Obama, making it a rigged election.

In 2020, he claimed the same thing about himself.

If the Democrats are that powerful and manipulative, how is it possible that when Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, the most powerful and crooked Democrat of them all, he was able to win?

I’ll answer that if you answer this: Libtards went from “the most corrupt election in history” with Trump to “the most secure and safe, accurate election in history,” with Joe Biden. The Russians were THE FACTOR until they weren’t. Everyone was completely convinced Trump was trying to steal the election by foreign power…OR…everything is completely fine, nothing to see here. 

Just add millions of mail-in ballots, right? That always adds credibility.