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All joking aside, even though there is no hard evidence, I think this is probably the first time we've had improprieties and fraud on this large of a scale. I don't think it would have ever happened if Trump were a controlled establishment candidate. But the intelligence communities along with the establishment left and right both desperately wanted him out. Especially the CIA and FBI. There's no way in hell they were going to let that Barr - Durham report go to completion. I think it was a concerted effort by those entities to get rid of Trump. They won't do it again unless another populist runs. They would have done it to Bernie as well.
Why are you asserting fraud on a large scale?
You do know that Trump’s team has been deliberately throwing as much shit at the fan as possible just to stink the place up, and sour-grapes Trump voters are desperate to look for and accept anything as fraud (Look at this video I found of someone burning Trump voters ballots!!!")
The “tell” in the con is that Trump’s team can yell “fraud” all they want on social media and to the media, but they know they can’t lie in court about evidence they don’t have, or risk being disbarred. Which is why they tend to be backpeddling the claims of fraud once in front of a judge.
In one of several Pennsylvania cases, Trump attorneys actually signed a legal document in which they stated,
"Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any undue influence committed with respect to the challenged ballots."
Even Giuliani, the most rabid conspiracy monger on the team, has had to waffle once in court.
"In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged "widespread, nationwide voter fraud" in his opening remarks. But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. "This is not a fraud case," Giuliani later admitted. In the same case, Trump lawyer Linda Kearns said explicitly that she is "not proceeding" on allegations of fraud."
Trump’s cases have been failing and thrown out over and over.
Nothing about fraud is holding up in court! Why wouldn’t you at least wait until any case has passed the evidential demands of a court to conclude there is “large scale fraud?” Isn’t that the reasonable thing to do?
Otherwise, it seems like you’ve just allowed yourself to fall for the bullshit. As they say “If you can’t see the con; you’r the mark.”
If all you’ve got are things like “but look at all the stuff posted on social media showing fraud!” or have built up just some huge sense of suspicion of fraud, that is EXACTLY what Trump’s team wants out of you! They don’t need to (and likely don’t intend) to actually convince anyone in a court.
They just have to make all these moves, throwing “suspicious” after “suspicious” claim at the wall in order to create the feeling “something is up” so you have countless Trumpers saying “Look, even if the courts aren’t seeing it, SOMETHING is going on. I KNOW there’s SOME SORT OF FUCKERY.”
This is Trump’s exit strategy. Don’t be a dupe and fall for it.
As I said, it's not backed by hard evidence.
But we had multiple incedents on video of Republican poll watchers being refused access to watch the tabulation. In Detroit, video of them boarding up the poll watchers at the window so they couldn't see what was going on. Another video I saw was that they were still being refused entry even after a judge had to intervene and order them to be allowed in. And then other polling stations where after being allowed inside, they were kept 25 feet back instead of the required 6 feet. And they've given no explanation for this other than "covid concerns" which we know is complete bullshit.
If this was all reversed and it were Democratic poll watchers being turned away at the doors I would be saying the Republicans cheated.
Other indirect evidence is Joe getting the most votes in American history when he couldn't get 100 people to show up at his rallies while Trump was getting 57,000.
But as I said, I think the Dems and Never Trumpers were only complicit but that the source of the cheating was straight from the intelligence community.. Like Chuck Shumer said, Trump was stupid to fuck with the CIA and FBI because they have seven ways to Sunday to get you back. And I think that's exactly what they did.
And no, I'm not getting suckered by anything Trump or Guiliani is saying. I'm not even paying attention to the lawsuits. My opinion is based strictly on what I posted above.