Truth about Manny and Floyd

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So much horseshit in this thread I don't even know where to begin. It would seem though, most "newer" or "fringe" boxing fans support Manny, where as die hards/life long boxing fans support Floyd. As some one who has followed boxing for 30 years, I can say so much of the hatred thrown Floyd's way is garbage.

 

1.) "Manny will KILL Floyd" --- Manny's style is tailor-made for Floyd. Outside of being a southpaw, Manny fits into a mold to not only work for Floyd, but make him look even more dangerous. What is hardly ever considered, is Floyd being a BAD matchup for Manny. Mannny has ALWAYS struggled against counter-punchers with speed. He relies on what is called a "ambush style", which essentially is bursting in with punches, firing off a combo or 2 and than moving away. Rinse/Repeat over and over and you have Manny Pacquaio. Counter-Punchers with hand speed give ambush fighters issues, see Juan Manual Marquez as a key example of what counter-punchers w/ hand speed can do versus Pacquaio. 

 

2.) "Floyd is ducking Manny"---Bob Arum is the greatest culprit of the entire ordeal of this fight not happening. Arum and Mayweather have a long and storied history of hatred towards each other. It started with Arum saying some pretty disgusting things about Mayweather AND De La Hoya when both left Top Ranked (Floyd in 06'). What also is NEVER mentioned anymore is the fact Arum has a HUGE grudge against Mayweather and has sworn to "never give that fucker another penny" after Floyd sued Top Rank for money withheld from him by Arum and Co. Link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...yd_maywea.html 

 "Arum and Mayweather parted ways in 2006 after Mayweather paid $750,000 to buy out his contract. That was triggered by Arum's refusal to guarantee Mayweather $20 million to fight Oscar De La Hoya, another Top Rank client, who successfully sued Arum to get out of his contract in 2001. Last year Mayweather and DeLa Hoya hooked up without Arum and fought in one of the highest grossing Pay-Per-View boxing events ever. Mayweather earned more than $30 million for the fight, and the two have planned a rematch for September." -- AKA, Oscar left and  Arum didn't want to do business with him again. Floyd bought himself out, Arum got mad and did the same. Only reason Manny fought Oscar was Manny tried to leave Arum same way Floyd did...and than Arum made Oscar a offer he should've refused but was so hell bent on trying to finally beat a BIG name in their prime he took a shit deal and got smoked for some $$$.

 

 

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3.) "Floyd hasn't fought anyone/ducks; Manny though fights the best, in their primes" --- Ok, lets take a look at their respective records since 2007 (this throws out everything Floyd did prior, which alone would still make him 1 of the best p4p ever at this point) : 

Floyd sine 07'

W - 05/05/07 vs De La Hoya

W - 12/08/07 vs Ricky Hatton

W - 09/19/09 vs Juan Manuel Marquez

W - 05/01/10 vs Shane Mosley

W - 09/17/11 vs Victor Ortiz  

W - 05/05/12 vs Miquel Cotto 

W - 05/04/13 vs Robert Guerrero

W - 09/14/13 vs Saul ''Canelo'' Alvarez

Manny since 07'

W - 04/14/07 vs Jorge Solis

W - 10/06/07 vs Marco Antonio Barrera

W - 03/15/08 vs Juan Manuel Marquez

W - 06/28/08 vs David Diaz

W - 12/06/08 vs De La Hoya

W - 05/02/09 vs Ricky Hatton

W - 11/14/09 vs Miquel Cotto

W - 03/13/10 vs Joshua Clottey

W - 11/13/10 vs Antonio Margarito 

W - 05/07/11 vs Shane Mosley

W - 11/12/11 vs Juan Manuel Marquez

L - 06/09/12 vs Timothy Bradley

L - 12/08/12 vs Juan Manuel Marquez

W - 11/24/13 vs Brandon Rios

 

Let's begin with common opponents:

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De La Hoya - Neither man can say they fought "prime" Oscar, but Floyd has a better argument of the 2. At the time Floyd fought Oscar, De La Hoya was 1 year removed from his 2 year retirement following the loss to Bernard Hopkins. He had just come off beating Ricardo Mayorga in a great showing before Floyd schooled him like no one had prior. He than took a year off, fought Stevie Forbes to a decision win before losing to Pacquaio at a weight he had not fought at in nearly 7 years. *Note Floyd fought Oscar BEFORE Manny and at heavier weight class

Hatton - Hatton was undefeated at time (43-0) when facing Mayweather. It stands as one of Floyd's signature performances and best wins to date. After the loss, Hatton rebounded with 2 wins; a UD vs Juan Lazcano and a 11th rd TKO (corner threw in towel) vs Paulie Malignaggi, before facing Manny 1 year and 5 months AFTER Floyd. Manny delivered one of his signature wins in the performance, a 2nd rd BRUTAL KO.

Marquez - Pacquaio's #1 rival and 4 time opponent. He first met Manny in 04, would meet him a 2nd time in 08 BEFORE Floyd would fight him his 1 and only time in 09. Floyd dismantled Marquez and seemingly pitched a shutout, while Pacquaio has struggled against Marquez, even with his record standing at 2-1-1 against him.

Mosley - Again, neither guy can say they faced the "real" Shane Mosley. By 2010, his fight with Mayweather, Mosley was already well over the hill and "can the old man still hang" storylines abounded for both fights. Mosley may go down famously as the only fighter to actually rock Floyd. It was only 1 punch though and would be basically the only punch he landed the entire fight.  Mosley would go on to a draw with Sergio Mora before facing Pacquaio 1 year AFTER Floyd and losing via the same UD fate.

Cotto - The final common opponent of the two men, but starting the down stretch of his career when facing both men was Miquel Cotto. Manny faced Cotto BEFORE Floyd, BUT it can be argued Floyd fought the better Cotto. Let me explain, Manny fought Cotto in 09, 1 year after he was DESTROYED by Margarito with most likely loaded gloves/wraps. After that beating, he faced and beat Michael Jennings (who? exactly) by TKO and Joshua Clottey by SD, most, inlcuding myself, felt Clottey won that fight. He than fought Manny, got rocked several times and finally stopped in the 12th. He took nearly a year off afterwards and returned with 3 of the biggest wins of his career, stopping all 3 of Yuri Foreman, Ricardo Mayorga, and Antonio Margarito in their revenge re-match back to back to back. He then fought Floyd, won a round and bloodied his nose during said round with a few stiff jabs, but other than that, got taken to boxing class. 

The point I'm making is when you look at the trajectory of the opponents, dates/times when they fought and circumstances surrounding fight (weight issues, exc exc), Floyd has not fought as much as Manny, BUT has definitely fought the higher quality competition while at their respective peaks in performance. Manny has also seemed to make a living off fighting guys coming off Floyd ruining them.

In close, for those who have been fans for a while remember how Floyd at 1 point was "ducking Oscar" when Arum was cockblocking that fight, or when he was "ducking Margarito" after he beat Cotto... HELL, even Bob Arum accused Floyd of ducking Cotto for a rematch!! Please don't by into the hype, the guy half you hate is a product.. literally. He isn't "Money", he's actually humble and quite well spoken but his character he plays happens to be the bad guy, and bad guys sell more PPVs/Tickets... ask Mr. Sonnen.

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i hope wrote this for a school paper or something, because i'm pretty sure no one else cares this much about the pac-mayweather situation anymore.

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Here's the real truth:


Fight never happened and that sucks. Phone Post

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chalice - i hope wrote this for a school paper or something, because i'm pretty sure no one else cares this much about the pac-mayweather situation anymore.


Really? There's a 7 page thread about it in this very forum right now. Floyd just tweeted photo's making fun of Manny.. and there's rumors of a possible match, Id say its relivant.

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Honest question. Why won't Floyd and Bradley fight? Phone Post 3.0

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3 Sided Square - Here's the real truth:


Fight never happened and that sucks. Phone Post


Yup, truth.. but people blaming Floyd or saying he "ducked" are crazy and uneducated on boxing. 

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Gfropr - Honest question. Why won't Floyd and Bradley fight? Phone Post 3.0


Different promoters, different networks now. Showtime really threw a monkey wrench into affairs with them going big time and inking Floyd/Golden Boy Promotions. 



Essentially this is how you view boxing: Top Rank/HBO vs Golden Boy/SHO. In order for Bradley-Mayweather to happen, HBO, Showtime, Top Rank, Golden Boy, Mayweather Promotions ALL need a piece of the pie. That pie isn't big enough for them to do it. Tyson vs Lewis is a time recently such a event happened. De La Hoya vs Mayweather was blocked for nearly 3 years by Bob Arum after Oscar bailed. 



 



So the answer to your question is: greed and money won't let them fight.

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Skeezy420 -
Gfropr - Honest question. Why won't Floyd and Bradley fight? Phone Post 3.0


Different promoters, different networks now. Showtime really threw a monkey wrench into affairs with them going big time and inking Floyd/Golden Boy Promotions. 



Essentially this is how you view boxing: Top Rank/HBO vs Golden Boy/SHO. In order for Bradley-Mayweather to happen, HBO, Showtime, Top Rank, Golden Boy, Mayweather Promotions ALL need a piece of the pie. That pie isn't big enough for them to do it. Tyson vs Lewis is a time recently such a event happened. De La Hoya vs Mayweather was blocked for nearly 3 years by Bob Arum after Oscar bailed. 



 



So the answer to your question is: greed and money won't let them fight.

I had a feeling that's what it was. Thanks for breaking it down for me. VU. Phone Post 3.0

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Great Work and Voted Up Skeezy...!!! Phone Post 3.0

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You're right, there is a lot of horse shit in this thread Phone Post 3.0

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Although you make some great points, you are obviously biased towards Mayweather. I do agree that Mayweather would beat Manny though...

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Great post op VTFU for truth Phone Post 3.0

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DAVID H - Although you make some great points, you are obviously biased towards Mayweather. I do agree that Mayweather would beat Manny though...
. Phone Post 3.0

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Nice write up. Voted up

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Skeezy420 -


So much horseshit in this thread I don't even know where to begin. It would seem though, most "newer" or "fringe" boxing fans support Manny, where as die hards/life long boxing fans support Floyd. As some one who has followed boxing for 30 years, I can say so much of the hatred thrown Floyd's way is garbage./o:p



 



1.) "Manny will KILL Floyd" --- Manny's style is tailor-made for Floyd. Outside of being a southpaw, Manny fits into a mold to not only work for Floyd, but make him look even more dangerous. What is hardly ever considered, is Floyd being a BAD matchup for Manny. Mannny has ALWAYS struggled against counter-punchers with speed. He relies on what is called a "ambush style", which essentially is bursting in with punches, firing off a combo or 2 and than moving away. Rinse/Repeat over and over and you have Manny Pacquaio. Counter-Punchers with hand speed give ambush fighters issues, see Juan Manual Marquez as a key example of what counter-punchers w/ hand speed can do versus Pacquaio. /o:p



 



2.) "Floyd is ducking Manny"---Bob Arum is the greatest culprit of the entire ordeal of this fight not happening. Arum and Mayweather have a long and storied history of hatred towards each other. It started with Arum saying some pretty disgusting things about Mayweather AND De La Hoya when both left Top Ranked (Floyd in 06'). What also is NEVER mentioned anymore is the fact Arum has a HUGE grudge against Mayweather and has sworn to "never give that fucker another penny" after Floyd sued Top Rank for money withheld from him by Arum and Co. Link:/o:p



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...yd_maywea.html /o:p



 "Arum and Mayweather parted ways in 2006 after Mayweather paid $750,000 to buy out his contract. That was triggered by Arum's refusal to guarantee Mayweather $20 million to fight Oscar De La Hoya, another Top Rank client, who successfully sued Arum to get out of his contract in 2001. Last year Mayweather and DeLa Hoya hooked up without Arum and fought in one of the highest grossing Pay-Per-View boxing events ever. Mayweather earned more than $30 million for the fight, and the two have planned a rematch for September." -- AKA, Oscar left and  Arum didn't want to do business with him again. Floyd bought himself out, Arum got mad and did the same. Only reason Manny fought Oscar was Manny tried to leave Arum same way Floyd did...and than Arum made Oscar a offer he should've refused but was so hell bent on trying to finally beat a BIG name in their prime he took a shit deal and got smoked for some $$$./o:p



 



 

Nice write up very true Phone Post 3.0

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Manny is a burst fighter and Floyd would fuck him up Phone Post 3.0

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I don't care about any of the bullshit I just want to see this fight and it fucking blows my kind it hasn't happened yet... Phone Post 3.0

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Good reaad VU