Turkey Bracketing US Special Forces in Syria

U.S. forces say Turkey was deliberately 'bracketing' American troops with artillery fire in Syria

Turkish forces who launched multiple artillery rounds near a U.S. Special Operations outpost in northeastern Syria on Friday have known for months that Americans were there, according to four current and former U.S. officials, raising questions whether Turkey is trying to push American troops farther from the border.

The incident occurred on a hilltop base overlooking the town of Kobane as Turkey continues an operation launched Wednesday against Syrian Kurds, some of whom the United States has partnered with for years in its campaign against the Islamic State. The incursion has focused on an area 60 miles to the west of Kobane, but U.S. officials believe Turkey has long-term aspirations to control a much larger swath of Syria.

The rounds landed about 9 p.m. within a few hundred yards of the base on Mistenur Hill, U.S. officials said. Navy Capt. Brook DeWalt, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement that the U.S. troops "came under artillery fire" but were unharmed and that there was an explosion.

"The U.S. demands that Turkey avoid actions that could result in immediate defensive action," DeWalt said.

In a statement issued Friday, Turkey's Defense Ministry said its troops had not fired on the Americans and were acting "in self-defense" after one of their border posts was attacked.

But the situation, first reported by Newsweek, was more serious than characterized Friday, several officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

One Army officer who has deployed to northeastern Syria and has knowledge of the situation said that multiple rounds of 155 mm fire were launched from Turkey's side of the border and that they had a "bracketing effect" in which shells landed on both sides of the U.S. outpost.

"That's an area weapon," the officer said, noting its explosive effects. "That's not something we ever would have done to a partner force."

The officer said Turkey knew there were Americans on the hill and that it had to be deliberate. The service members vacated the outpost after the incident but returned Saturday, according to a U.S. official and images circulating on social media.

"We had been there for months, and it is the most clearly defined position in that entire area," the officer said.

Brett McGurk, a former special envoy for both the Obama and Trump administrations in the campaign against the Islamic State, raised concerns about the incident Friday, saying on Twitter that the United States had declared the position to Turkey.

"This was not a mistake," he said.

McGurk, who often collaborated with the U.S. military in Syria before resigning his position in December, emphasized the increasing risks to Americans throughout Syria in an email Saturday.

"Turkey wants us off the entire border region to a depth of 30 kilometers," or about 20 miles, he said. "Based on all the facts available, these were warning fires on a known location, not inadvertent rounds."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/10/12/us-forces-say-turkey-was-deliberately-bracketing-american-forces-with-artillery-fire-syria/

TL/DR: Turkey was shooting artillary (or bracketing) at a site they knew US Special Ops had been occupying for months.

Sounds dangerous, they should get out of there 

jacktripper - 

Sounds dangerous, they should get out of there 


Or...we could level Istanbul. That's another option.

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jacktripper - 

Sounds dangerous, they should get out of there 


Or...we could level Istanbul. That's another option.



Maybe just a "surgical strike" on Erdogan...




I'd be ok with that.

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It would be amazing if we could finally kick Turkey out of NATO

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jacktripper - 

Sounds dangerous, they should get out of there 


Or...we could level Istanbul. That's another option.



Maybe just a "surgical strike" on Erdogan...




I'd be ok with that.



Interesting... that's a city of 15 million people 


Great plan 

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jacktripper - 

Sounds dangerous, they should get out of there 


Or...we could level Istanbul. That's another option.



Maybe just a "surgical strike" on Erdogan...



Shock and awe... install a pro-western democracy...


lather, rinse, repeat 

PelosiesPanties -

Erdogan is a piece of shit and its far past time he received a geo political bitch slap!

Unilaterally from America of course... the UN and the EU sit on the sidelines 

jacktripper - 
rufus -
LieDetector - 
rufus -
jacktripper - 

Sounds dangerous, they should get out of there 


Or...we could level Istanbul. That's another option.



Maybe just a "surgical strike" on Erdogan...




I'd be ok with that.



Interesting... that's a city of 15 million people 


Great plan 




Maybe they shouldn't put American lives at risk then?

jacktripper - 
PelosiesPanties -

Erdogan is a piece of shit and its far past time he received a geo political bitch slap!

Unilaterally from America of course... the UN and the EU sit on the sidelines 


I'm pretty sure we don't need permission from the EU or the UN to protect American interests (and personnel).

In my opinion, Turkey will use this Kurdish "terrorism" excuse to gain access to and expand their border to oil rich areas in Syria and Iraq.

Given that both Iraq and Syria have limited to no national identity, Erdogan wants to take over large swaths of land and recreate the Ottoman Empire.  Following his fake coup to change the constitution and make himself a dictator, Erdogan is taking steps to brand himself as the next great Sultan (or potentially Caliph as he aligns with the Islamists).

More on Neo-Ottomanism (the definition of which could be changing depending on what Erdogan chooses to do):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Ottomanism

Here are some interesting pieces that discuss Erdogan's transition:

https://www.newsweek.com/turkeys-erdogan-kurds-opinion-1050039

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Turkeys-Erdogan-The-making-of-a-latter-day-Sultan-563479

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/turkey/2019-08-12/erdogans-way

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It looks like Erdogan is aligning with Islamist militias in Syria to kill the kurds.

There are reports they are targeting prisons being guarded by Kurds in order to let the ISIS fighters out...

WTF?

I still can't figure out Trump's angle in all of this:

- Is it a "wag the dog" situation to create a new massive conflict in Syria to get us to focus on war and foreign policy instead of impeachment?

- Is it due to his own financial interests in Turkey, so he wants to appease Erdogan?

- Is it (as has been alleged) due to some side deal he made with Erdogan not to release direct evidence of MBS involvement in the Khashoggi killing? (as Trump and Kushner wanted to protect MBS?)

The point is that there was zero chance Erdogan would be doing this without Trump giving him the green light.

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lionsoul - 

It looks like Erdogan is aligning with Islamist militias in Syria to kill the kurds.

There are reports they are targeting prisons being guarded by Kurds in order to let the ISIS fighters out...

WTF?

I still can't figure out Trump's angle in all of this:

- Is it a "wag the dog" situation to create a new massive conflict in Syria to get us to focus on war and foreign policy instead of impeachment?

- Is it due to his own financial interests in Turkey, so he wants to appease Erdogan?

- Is it (as has been alleged) due to some side deal he made with Erdogan not to release direct evidence of MBS involvement in the Khashoggi killing? (as Trump and Kushner wanted to protect MBS?)

The point is that there was zero chance Erdogan would be doing this without Trump giving him the green light.


If Trump is going to limit the attacks on his presidency he needs to appease at least some of the major players. He is probably going to redeploy troops in many areas in the region for stability for SA and keep the MIC happy as well. Notice how there has been zero talk of MJ legalization since his reelection campaign started. He needs the big pharma tobacco alcohol and LE lobbies money for paying electors more than he needs popular support. He has mad big economic moves and has shown a strong albeit tactless attitude toward foreign trade relationships. He is walking a tightrope in that regard so his next move is to get the big lobbies in his pocket, then start campaigning to old people and unions like teachers, le and fire and manufacturing and trade unions. Then he can go back to his over the top patriotism.

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jacktripper - 
rufus -
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rufus -
jacktripper - 

Sounds dangerous, they should get out of there 


Or...we could level Istanbul. That's another option.



Maybe just a "surgical strike" on Erdogan...




I'd be ok with that.



Interesting... that's a city of 15 million people 


Great plan 




Maybe they shouldn't put American lives at risk then?



Brilliant 

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jacktripper - 
PelosiesPanties -

Erdogan is a piece of shit and its far past time he received a geo political bitch slap!

Unilaterally from America of course... the UN and the EU sit on the sidelines 


I'm pretty sure we don't need permission from the EU or the UN to protect American interests (and personnel).


What "American interest"?

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jacktripper - 
PelosiesPanties -

Erdogan is a piece of shit and its far past time he received a geo political bitch slap!

Unilaterally from America of course... the UN and the EU sit on the sidelines 


I'm pretty sure we don't need permission from the EU or the UN to protect American interests (and personnel).


Start a war to "protect American personnel"?


im not sure if you know how war works 

PelosiesPanties -

Erdogan is a piece of shit and its far past time he received a geo political bitch slap!

Maybe he will see justice in different way

 

 

^^^^^

Sanction Busting Scheme: