With so many matches ending by RNC at this ADCC, I noticed that a ton of guys were constantly turtling to avoid getting points scored on them.
Even at this level the basic finishes are still extremely dangerous.
Is turtling a large part of the reason so many guys got choked, some of them several times in the same tournament?
I asked the same question. Was there some major shift in technique and people are working new stuff to get the back?
Or is it just the usual 'Roll away as someone passes to avoid the points'?
I noticed the same thing.. more than not I noticed that it i more good than bad to turtle.. sure some guys lost to chokes from turtling but some guys ended up getting to thier feet and winning the match from turtling as well
Gives the back to your opponent. The more chances at your back they get the higher percentage of finishing there.
btw- Almost all rnc that finished were off of scrambles mostly from the turle.
Irony = BJJers raging on Judo players turtling... and now we see BJJ people turtle ALL THE TIME...
"Even at this level the basic finishes are still extremely dangerous."
Turtling is like anything else risky, you can get up and stand up from an attack or you can have your back taken aswell. Its a judgement call I think...
"more than not I noticed that it i more good than bad to turtle.. sure some guys lost to chokes from turtling but some guys ended up getting to thier feet and winning the match from turtling as well"
Honkeystyle = the correct.
Sry Honkey but any ranting that bjj guys rant about judo is them turtling flat on the stomach to stall out the time or leap out of bounds.... turtling to escape is fine and always has been an important part of bjj...
It wasn't to avoid passing points, it was to avoid takedown points.
ADCC rules need to be tweaked a bit. If you take your opponent down, but he twists and gets to his knees before you establish control, you get no points. Then if your opponent is able to roll and get guard (before standing up), you still get no points.
Ricco scored about as clear a takedown as you can against Garcia, but Garcia spun to his knees, and then rolled back to guard. Ricco got no points for it.
"It wasn't to avoid passing points, it was to avoid takedown points."
Yes it was most of the time actually.. to gain points for passing you must be there for 3 seconds.. so this weekend when most peoples gaurd was passed they rolled and turtled before the 3 seconds to avoid getting points scored on them.. happened all weekend
You're right, but I saw it happen most of the time during takedowns. We saw Vieira vs. Yahira go to 3 OT's because of it.
I shouldn't have said "It wasn't to avoid passing points." I should have said "I saw it happen more often when taken down than when having their guard passed."