U.S. Judoka Expelled from Olympics

There is so many things on the list of banned substances it is mind boggling.

So when a athlete gets pegged for something as obvious as pot it is hard to feel sympathetic.

Having said that the IOC is EXTREMLY crooked. Like Italian garbage men crooked.

Below them at Nation Levels around the World it is the same shit. The amount of ass kissing you need to do to get the nod is shameful. In the end a run at the show is going to cost the athlete more then just time and willpower.

Humphrey - first you have absolutely no idea how they dealt with the matter, it's public record and cnn picked it up (or another news agency)

second, it DOES matter to the people that didn't break the rules.

What it doesn't affect is the medal ranking.

and as for the infraction itself? if it's a rule, and he broke it, it makes zero difference how cool or dumb you think the rule is, he knew the rule, and failed to uphold it.

you just don't get it. it seems like you think they should have whispered it to him, not sent him home like everyone else that breaks the rules, and not said anything to anyone. How stupid is that?

it's a big deal because he's the first american to get expelled from the games for it.

IOC released the public statement, American team organized a press conference, newswire picked it up after.

You're not quite understanding what I'm saying. Even if I think the rule is dumb, which it is and there really is no question about it, I agree it is a rule that must be followed if you wanna compete in the Olympics. But I'm not saying that they should "whisper" it to him. But to make such a big deal outta this is ridiculous.

The other point I'm making is that there is a huge double standard. Judo is not a marquee sport for the Olympics, more of a niche sport in the Asian makrets. Contrast that to, arguably, the biggest event in the Olympics the 100m sprint. Delpopolo tested positive for something he did in the past. There is no test for whether a person is currently under the influence of marijuana. An American sprinter tested positive for doping more than once in his past, and was even suspended for 2 years due to it but he's allowed to compete. I agree that he broke the rules and should suffer the consequences of those actions, that's not the centre of my contention. What my problem is:

1) They are making a giant deal about this that doesn't need to be made. He was not on a PED, did not test positive for any other subastance, he is not a medal winner. This is not Lance Armstrong winning numerous cycling titles while doping. This is a young guy who made a silly mistake in celebration of the fact that he was going to represent his country and finished 7th. This knockdown drag 'em out pageantry is ludicrous, especially when no mention is made of the numerous other athletes who have been caught doping in the past. which leads me to...

2) The double standards. The Olympics committee are clearly in this to make money, and there's no problem with that. But when that affects the athletes, that's a problem. If there were any justice, guys like this sprinter should not be allowed to compete. Anyone who tests positive ever should be barred from Olympic competition, period. But instead a big deal is made about some weed cake, not the guy who deliberately used PEDs for better results.

he has precedent to stay.

ROss Rebagliatti kept his gold in Snowboarding after testing positive

beyond stupid. makes no fucking sense on any level.

http://news.nuggetry.com/recreational-marijuana/us-olympic-wrestler-kicked-off-team-after-positive-marijuana-test/


Shit happens.

notsometourist - 
Humphrey - first you have absolutely no idea how they dealt with the matter, it's public record and cnn picked it up (or another news agency)

second, it DOES matter to the people that didn't break the rules.

What it doesn't affect is the medal ranking.

and as for the infraction itself? if it's a rule, and he broke it, it makes zero difference how cool or dumb you think the rule is, he knew the rule, and failed to uphold it.

you just don't get it. it seems like you think they should have whispered it to him, not sent him home like everyone else that breaks the rules, and not said anything to anyone. How stupid is that?

it's a big deal because he's the first american to get expelled from the games for it.

IOC released the public statement, American team organized a press conference, newswire picked it up after.

You're not quite understanding what I'm saying. Even if I think the rule is dumb, which it is and there really is no question about it, I agree it is a rule that must be followed if you wanna compete in the Olympics. But I'm not saying that they should "whisper" it to him. But to make such a big deal outta this is ridiculous.

The other point I'm making is that there is a huge double standard. Judo is not a marquee sport for the Olympics, more of a niche sport in the Asian makrets. Contrast that to, arguably, the biggest event in the Olympics the 100m sprint. Delpopolo tested positive for something he did in the past. There is no test for whether a person is currently under the influence of marijuana. An American sprinter tested positive for doping more than once in his past, and was even suspended for 2 years due to it but he's allowed to compete. I agree that he broke the rules and should suffer the consequences of those actions, that's not the centre of my contention. What my problem is:

1) They are making a giant deal about this that doesn't need to be made. He was not on a PED, did not test positive for any other subastance, he is not a medal winner. This is not Lance Armstrong winning numerous cycling titles while doping. This is a young guy who made a silly mistake in celebration of the fact that he was going to represent his country and finished 7th. This knockdown drag 'em out pageantry is ludicrous, especially when no mention is made of the numerous other athletes who have been caught doping in the past. which leads me to...

2) The double standards. The Olympics committee are clearly in this to make money, and there's no problem with that. But when that affects the athletes, that's a problem. If there were any justice, guys like this sprinter should not be allowed to compete. Anyone who tests positive ever should be barred from Olympic competition, period. But instead a big deal is made about some weed cake, not the guy who deliberately used PEDs for better results.


Ok now I understand your point.

but what doesn't make sense is what does a past infraction that a suspension/punishment was served for have to do with this kid being a dumbfuck and breaking a rule? Let's not even get into the fact that you know damn well he's lying about not knowing.

It looks to me like they announced it exactly like they would with any athlete that was found cheating, and the wire, or whoever picked it up publicized it. actually it was probably published because a) he is the first person sent home caught in an in competition test, and b) the ludicrous excuse he used, so the media picked it up and requested a quote from the committee.

I guess your point still doesn't make sense to me. You're trying to compare it to someone that was busted previously, and followed the punishment they were given. So what does that have to do with this guy and this oplympics? The rules are the rules. he's expelled for this olympics. he can serve a suspension then try again in another 4 years.

not to mention you make it seem like he failed a test months ago, and should have just not been allowed to compete, but not sent home. he failed the test he took on July 30. it was an in competition test. had he failed during trials he would have been like the other 100+ people that were disqualified for drug use before the games started.

Humphrey - that poor guy that accidentally ate dope brownies....

poor poor guy.
I know accidentally ingesting marijuana happens to EVERYONE.

I've accidentally eaten pot cookies before... They were really good so I kept eating them, people assumed that I knew they were pot cookies, and I got so fucked up I failed an exam.

Narcotics have no place on the international sporting stage!

Get a haircut and a job you hippies

Kirik -  I can see banning a guy who is high, but just metabolites does not make sense?

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Wow. steroids and juicing are fine they will sweep it under the rug. Marijuana metabolites pure evil needs expulsion immediately. Most of these athletic commission's and Olympic committees are beginning to become a joke. Phone Post

Naughty Gorilla - Narcotics have no place on the international sporting stage!

Get a haircut and a job you hippies

The hippies lost Lebowski !! Phone Post

jasonhightower - 
Kirik -  I can see banning a guy who is high, but just metabolites does not make sense?
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This.

They should have multiple tiers of banned drugs, e.g: those that you can use before competition but not during, and those you cannot use ever.

Marijuana/THC metabolites can fall in the former, as can other non-performance aiding substances (caffeine). The gamut of steroids and PEDs can fall in the latter.

There is no money in Judo, and none in wrestling. A US athlete gets 25000 dollars for a medal, excluding sponsorship money. Given that, it is somewhat extreme to me to extend substance regulation beyond obvious performance enhancers.

Still, the rules are the rules. I hope it doesn't fuck his shit up too bad.

Italian garbagemen are crooked?

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jasonhightower - 
Kirik -  I can see banning a guy who is high, but just metabolites does not make sense?
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This.

They should have multiple tiers of banned drugs, e.g: those that you can use before competition but not during, and those you cannot use ever.

Marijuana/THC metabolites can fall in the former, as can other non-performance aiding substances (caffeine). The gamut of steroids and PEDs can fall in the latter.

There is no money in Judo, and none in wrestling. A US athlete gets 25000 dollars for a medal, excluding sponsorship money. Given that, it is somewhat extreme to me to extend substance regulation beyond obvious performance enhancers.

Still, the rules are the rules. I hope it doesn't fuck his shit up too bad.

And don't forget throwing paying taxes of you won a medal on the medal. Gold is 9 grand, silver 6 grand, bronze is 4. Phone Post

Humphrey, I'm not so sure you understand the way marijuana affects the human system. Marijuana is fat soluble, not water or acid soluble. That's why when you make things like weed cake you can't just put some weed in the batter. You have to infuse a fatty ingredient with the marijuana, like butter or milk. Thay being said, marijuana is the only known illicit drug wih that property. All others are water soluble. If you did some coke today, you'd piss clean by Friday. It takes between 72 and 84 hours for cocaine to leave your system, heroin is the same. However if you smoke a joint today, you may have marijuana traces in your body for up to three months, depending on your body composition, due to that fat solubility. So with him failing a test for marijuana metabolites, it is the exact same as failing a past test for steroids. All marijuana metabolites are indicative of is past use. He was not high during competition. So if all it indicates is past use and he is expelled for that, then someone who has also failed tests for past use should not be allowed to compete.

I'm not saying that he's innocennt or anything. Far from it. It was a mistake and he should have known better. Or if it was unintentional, unlikely but possible, then he should maybe choose better friends who would tell him not to eat the weed cake. Phone Post

It's too bad Nick's getting press for the wrong reasons & not for all the hard work he has put into his sport. He is probably one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I hope he puts all this behind him and dominates in 2016.