RedVexx - The way the character models look is the last thing I'm worried about. I could care less if they looked exactly the same. Game play is what matters.
I agree as well, and the gameplay was the biggest let down from the last UFC game. I don't know where everyone is talking about this vast difference in the characters on 2009, fact is everyone's main complaint was the lack of difference.
Okay so a couple guys throw a special move, when you have a roster of what 80 guys? That isn't a lot of diversity to say a few guys were different. Also one move, nah... The fighters did not fight like they do in real life, BJ was the closest thing and the rest were not even close.
It'll have some new features (looks like grappling against he cage is in - yay!, and southpaw). But it is not a redesign from the ground up. Its not a brand new engine. Man sports games take years to go through all their issues.
Look athe NBA Live series (15 years of updates and counting!), or the WWE Raw vs Smackdown (approx. 10).
nobones - Rampage, Forrest, Anderson, Chuck and many more have very specific moves to their character. Chuck's overhand right is just like he fights in real life, Anderson's knees and elbows and kicks mimic how he fights in real life, Rampage's duck and roll and head movement is peculiar to him, Forrest has that leg catch/punch move. There's several more examples for whatever reason you're being extremely biased to the EA game when you haven't even played it and going as far to straight up lie about Undisputed. Undisputed was a great game and a milestone as far as fighting/individual sports games go and you literally are just trying to hate and defend a game that doesn't exist in the market. That's why you're full of shit.
I will most likely buy the EA game because I'm an MMA fan unless it really sucks.
You're only proving my point. You named a few fighters out of what was it, 80 plus? Out of those 80 you have a few guys with MINOR differences, as in they may do a move that someone else wouldn't. Other than that, no...
Fact is the vast majority of UFC Undisputed was the same character with a different skin. There are SO MANY more examples of cloned characters that it's ridiculous. You play with one Boxer/BJJ Mix and you've pretty much played all with that same combination, and that goes for any combination of disciplines.
Look, UFC Undisputed was in production for a VERY long time. I waited for it like everyone else, and I haven't spoke to a single person who bought it and said that it met their expectations. Not just that, the lack of maintaining the game whatsoever after release was horrible, there was what? 1 update?
90 percent of the people on my friends list have UFC, I don't see any of them playing it anymore (though I do see a lot of people playing Fight Night 4.)
When the game was released it was blatantly obvious that THQ was much more invested in scanning in as many fighters as they could instead of working on the gameplay aspects.
Having seen what EA is doing and knowing that they are actually concentrating on EACH FIGHTER specifically is enough for me. All in all the EA game is simply going to be much more diverse in almost every aspect.
I am willing to bet MONEY on the fact that when May rolls around and the new UFC drops you will have Undisputed 2009 with a few minor tweaks that really could have been downloadable content for the first game.
Wait...are you saying EA might make a better sports game than THQ?!? lol Of course the gameplay will be better and the features will be more plentiful. It's what they specialize in while THQ was on the brink of bankruptcy when Undisputed dropped.
punchdrunkMMA - Wait...are you saying EA might make a better sports game than THQ?!? lol Of course the gameplay will be better and the features will be more plentiful. It's what they specialize in while THQ was on the brink of bankruptcy when Undisputed dropped.
RedVexx - UFC definitely met my expectations but Fight Night Round 4 was a huge let down and the worst one in the whole FN franchises. The reason EA releases so many updates is because their games are still screwed up by the release date so they have to continue working on them after they are released to try and fix them.
Fight Night Round 4 was a let down and you liked the other games in the Franchise? LOL, how? Unless you are Emin Boztepe and you just miss the hell out of those Wing Tsun parries into instant KO's (which isn't boxing) I don't follow your logic.
Fight Night Round 4 actually had the closest representation to the way each fighter really fought out of the whole series. It ran twice as many frames per second as FN3. They made reach actually matter. Wait, i've brought up my opinions on why UFC Undisputed wasn't as great as it could/should have been. Explain how FN4 was the worst one in the series.
It's obvious that you're not looking for a fighting game with much depth, Undisputed would fit that category. I'd also recommend Smash Bros. and maybe one of those horrid Dragon Ball Z games.
adrenochrome - Until the horrible footage of Kimbo it looked like the exact same character models from 2009. I really hope that they don't plan on just making a game with an updated roster because EA MMA will smash it.
Its a sport kiddo, just like Madden I am sure a new one will come out every year.
LOL lemme guess you also think they made online champions in Round 4 too huh? Reach mattered more in the other Fight Night games. They tried to make reach more even in Round 4. The game just sucked over all. Everything about it sucked and thats why nobody liked it. The only good thing about it is you could download CABs and hopefully EA will implement that in their MMA game.
Let's be honest, you're one of those guys that can't play the "flick-it" games right? Don't get me wrong I understand, I know plenty of people who haven't been able to get it down for either Fight Night or Skate. Fact is though you didn't bring up anything as to why it was the worst in the Franchise.
Online Champions? Not sure where that came up in the conversation.
Is it worse cause you can't throw a billion haymakers anymore without tiring? Or because they took the Wing Tsun block system out of a boxing game? FN4 was the most realistic representation of boxing out of the whole series.
UFC on the other hand I have sat there and let opponents punch me rapidly 30-40 times and by simply pressing forward and using the same button they are tapping I KO them with one shot. Hmm... Imagine if Dave Menne in the middle of being KO'ed popped out a "power jab" and KO'ed Baroni, that's what it looks like.
As I said I still see people playing Fight Night, I don't see the same with the UFC Game.
As for THQ staying alive long enough to bring out UFC Games every year, I doubt it. THQ is dying, the UFC game only kept it alive a little longer.
LOL lemme guess you also think they made online champions in Round 4 too huh? Reach mattered more in the other Fight Night games. They tried to make reach more even in Round 4. The game just sucked over all. Everything about it sucked and thats why nobody liked it. The only good thing about it is you could download CABs and hopefully EA will implement that in their MMA game.
Let's be honest, you're one of those guys that can't play the "flick-it" games right? Don't get me wrong I understand, I know plenty of people who haven't been able to get it down for either Fight Night or Skate. Fact is though you didn't bring up anything as to why it was the worst in the Franchise.
Online Champions? Not sure where that came up in the conversation.
Is it worse cause you can't throw a billion haymakers anymore without tiring? Or because they took the Wing Tsun block system out of a boxing game? FN4 was the most realistic representation of boxing out of the whole series.
UFC on the other hand I have sat there and let opponents punch me rapidly 30-40 times and by simply pressing forward and using the same button they are tapping I KO them with one shot. Hmm... Imagine if Dave Menne in the middle of being KO'ed popped out a "power jab" and KO'ed Baroni, that's what it looks like.
As I said I still see people playing Fight Night, I don't see the same with the UFC Game.
As for THQ staying alive long enough to bring out UFC Games every year, I doubt it. THQ is dying, the UFC game only kept it alive a little longer.
Put it on advanced mode idiot. You're playing it in beginner mode. All the ground work requires extensive use of both analog sticks and good control over flicking the analog stick. Stop pretending you even really played Undisputed loser.
Whoa whoa, calm down... This is a simple debate, no reason to start name calling over a fucking videogame, heh.
I play most if not all games on the hardest difficulty (mostly due to XBOXs achievement system) and that includes UFC. And if you want to talk about flicking, come on, it's beyond lame in the UFC. I can literally move to mount with one hand on the controller by using the flick-it reversals. It's beyond easy even on the hardest difficulty.
The EA MMA Game has been demo'ed already for the press and select others that are not fighters. You just saw the videos of the fighters playing themselves (which should tell you the game is a lot farther along than your assumption.)
I had the grappling system down through the demo before the final game was even released. It's not nearly as in-depth as you're making it out to be. You clicked the button and rolled the stick or button mashed (depending on your preference.)
Are some people better at submissions than others? Yes. Once we hit the ground am I able to mount you just as fast with Cro Cop as I would with Tito, Coleman, etc? Yep.
You can destroy anyone from the mount by simply flicking when they try to roll, then punch, and back to blocking until they roll again. Rinse and repeat. They can't effectively strike off their backs and you can sit their and eat as many as you want and then KO them.
The mount is also incredibly easy to obtain with ANY character on ANY difficulty. So you just need a bit more practice, I didn't realize I was shitting on your favorite game. I was just discussing opinions.
The funniest thing is, is that you will honestly argue with me about the lack of difference between the characters. It was one of the worst things about Undisputed. Even with 15 guys who MAYBE have ONE unique move, we're still talking 15 out of 80+. You and I both know that I am being very generous by saying there are even anything close to 15 unique fighters in the game.
nobones - Uh, they had to turn off most of the graphics during these demos so the game wouldn't crash. When asked for a release date they said 'any time between Jan. and Dec. of 2010). I am not assuming anything idiot you're assuming it's ready to come out any month now.
LOL. Did you see the original footage of the UFC game that they tried to pass off as gameplay footage?
They couldn't even put Guida in the game AT RELEASE because of clipping issues, that's why every fighter had one stance as well.
Like I said, they were more focused on scanning in a ton of characters than they were on fixing and creating better gameplay and it showed heavily.
I don't see why you all are arguing about a video game. Bottom line, is without UFC involvement, EA MMA will probably be little more than an underground favorite. Hardcore Gamers (assuming great gameplay) and hardcore mma fans will love it, but the casual MMA fan will shit all over it and it will rot on the shelf.
nobones - There's no way you could have had the 'grappling system down' with just Shogun and Chuck. Werdum's grappling skills are totally different and dwarf almost everyone in the game because he has this arm bar glitch that can't be blocked. You don't play the game on the highest difficulty you play it on noob level and button mash. You can do up to 5 different moves when you get to side mount PER FIGHTER. Some fighters will never go for mount at all they always just want to get back to the feet. Some grapplers can go to mount from half guard while others have to transition to side mount first. Calling you out for being full of shit.
First off, maybe you're right, I don't find fighters to exploit GLITCHES so that I have the feel that they're different. That must be a blast!
And yeah, I am a noob that button mashes because I play the game apparently better than you do.
And yes, the grappling system is the same. It's a system, they didn't make individual systems for any guy, the system works the same in the game as it did in the demo. I don't care if you have to rotate more for one guy or another it's the same basic system and it was very easy to figure out, which is a good thing in some ways and bad in others (lack of depth.)
Once again, your holding onto the fact that there is maybe 8 guys who have a special move. Out of 80... and I am not talking about guys who have the same move as others but a glitch stops it from being blocked, that doesn't make them unique it makes the game broke.
I can sit here with confidence knowing that when you put EA MMA up against 2010, there will be no comparison. EA will have what true MMA fans want to see, and 2010 will have the fixes 2009 should have had.
Also let me point out, I am bringing up reasons as to why I didn't care for Undisputed's final product. You slammed FN4 without giving any good reason.
Call me a liar, it's cool. In the end, I know I am right and you will too, it will just take you longer to see it. :)
adrenochrome - Until the horrible footage of Kimbo it looked like the exact same character models from 2009. I really hope that they don't plan on just making a game with an updated roster because EA MMA will smash it.
The way the character models look is the last thing I'm worried about. I could care less if they looked exactly the same. Game play is what matters.
I doubt EA will smash it either just look at NBA Live or Fight Night round 4.
If EA MMA is anything like Fight Night 4 it's going to be way better than the UFC game. Fight Night round 4 is fucking awesome and Undisputed sucked.
You're the only person I know that likes Fight Night 4. I thought it was all right but tired my hands out even a simple hook requires simultaneous coordination of both my thumbs shit was tiring. Undisputed was much better. Undisputed was fun Fight Night 4 was exhausting.
Thank you, sir. I hated the button crap they did with FN.
I missed the trailer or whenever they broadcast the UFC 2010.....wish I could see it.
I thought they did a good job considering how complex the game is. It'll get better.