UK first muslim judge allowed to wear hijab

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

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martyfly -

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

What exactly is the problem here? That a female Muslim is now a judge? You don’t think Muslims are fit to hold public offices?

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Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

LoveToChoke -
martyfly -

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

What exactly is the problem here? That a female Muslim is now a judge? You don’t think Muslims are fit to hold public offices?

UK is supposed to be a secular country. Obviously that isn't the case anymore. There shouldn't be religious symbols in judicial system. 

LoveToChoke -
martyfly -

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

What exactly is the problem here? That a female Muslim is now a judge? You don’t think Muslims are fit to hold public offices?

No, the problem is that they let her wear a hijab. Judges are supposed to be independent and also show this. This is the basis of the justice system. That is why judges don't wear out if they are Christian by wearing a cross or being Jewish by wearing a yamacha.

Jayn200 - 

Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

No, it isn’t, she works in the field of family law (divorces, spousal abuse, child matters etc) however her primary experience is working with those in her own community. This is a non story she is in the lowest rank of judges, we have male Sikh judges who wear the Turban at the highest level of the judiciary. To bar somebody based on religion would be illegal discrimination.

The simple fact is that if her religious beliefs impact on her judgements she wont be a judge for long, and if they don’t I don’t care what deity she prays to.

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Jayn200 - 

Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

No, it isn’t, she works in the field of family law (divorces, spousal abuse, child matters etc) however her primary experience is working with those in her own community. This is a non story she is in the lowest rank of judges, we have male Sikh judges who wear the Turban at the highest level of the judiciary. To bar somebody based on religion would be illegal discrimination.

The simple fact is that if her religious beliefs impact on her judgements she wont be a judge for long, and if they don’t I don’t care what deity she prays to.

Judge Arshad, an expert in Islamic family law, said although the judicial office and appointments commission were doing their “absolute upmost”, the judiciary “is still not diverse enough”.

That is right from the article? is it a misprint then?

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Jayn200 - 

Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

No, it isn’t, she works in the field of family law (divorces, spousal abuse, child matters etc) however her primary experience is working with those in her own community. This is a non story she is in the lowest rank of judges, we have male Sikh judges who wear the Turban at the highest level of the judiciary. To bar somebody based on religion would be illegal discrimination.

The simple fact is that if her religious beliefs impact on her judgements she wont be a judge for long, and if they don’t I don’t care what deity she prays to.

Judge Arshad, an expert in Islamic family law, said although the judicial office and appointments commission were doing their “absolute upmost”, the judiciary “is still not diverse enough”.

That is right from the article? is it a misprint then?

what do you think is the problem with having a more diverse judiciary?

martyfly -
LoveToChoke -
martyfly -

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

What exactly is the problem here? That a female Muslim is now a judge? You don’t think Muslims are fit to hold public offices?

No, the problem is that they let her wear a hijab. Judges are supposed to be independent and also show this. This is the basis of the justice system. That is why judges don't wear out if they are Christian by wearing a cross or being Jewish by wearing a yamacha.

It’s not a problem at all but tell us why you think it should be a problem.

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johnnypayne -
Jayn200 - 

Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

No, it isn’t, she works in the field of family law (divorces, spousal abuse, child matters etc) however her primary experience is working with those in her own community. This is a non story she is in the lowest rank of judges, we have male Sikh judges who wear the Turban at the highest level of the judiciary. To bar somebody based on religion would be illegal discrimination.

The simple fact is that if her religious beliefs impact on her judgements she wont be a judge for long, and if they don’t I don’t care what deity she prays to.

Judge Arshad, an expert in Islamic family law, said although the judicial office and appointments commission were doing their “absolute upmost”, the judiciary “is still not diverse enough”.

That is right from the article? is it a misprint then?

Dont believe a single thing written by the BBC, they are our CNN.

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Jayn200 - 

Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

No, it isn’t, she works in the field of family law (divorces, spousal abuse, child matters etc) however her primary experience is working with those in her own community. This is a non story she is in the lowest rank of judges, we have male Sikh judges who wear the Turban at the highest level of the judiciary. To bar somebody based on religion would be illegal discrimination.

The simple fact is that if her religious beliefs impact on her judgements she wont be a judge for long, and if they don’t I don’t care what deity she prays to.

Judge Arshad, an expert in Islamic family law, said although the judicial office and appointments commission were doing their “absolute upmost”, the judiciary “is still not diverse enough”.

That is right from the article? is it a misprint then?

what do you think is the problem with having a more diverse judiciary?

I am asking if islamic family law is a thing in the UK or if they have a fully secular judicial system. Both can't be true. So are they secular or does something called islamic family law exist in the UK judicial system.

That's pretty easy logic to follow. What's so difficult about that for you?

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LoveToChoke -
Jayn200 -
johnnypayne -
Jayn200 - 

Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

No, it isn’t, she works in the field of family law (divorces, spousal abuse, child matters etc) however her primary experience is working with those in her own community. This is a non story she is in the lowest rank of judges, we have male Sikh judges who wear the Turban at the highest level of the judiciary. To bar somebody based on religion would be illegal discrimination.

The simple fact is that if her religious beliefs impact on her judgements she wont be a judge for long, and if they don’t I don’t care what deity she prays to.

Judge Arshad, an expert in Islamic family law, said although the judicial office and appointments commission were doing their “absolute upmost”, the judiciary “is still not diverse enough”.

That is right from the article? is it a misprint then?

what do you think is the problem with having a more diverse judiciary?

I am asking if islamic family law is a thing in the UK or if they have a fully secular judicial system. Both can't be true. So are they secular or does something called islamic family law exist in the UK judicial system.

That's pretty easy logic to follow. What's so difficult about that for you?

The problem is your reading comprehension. From the article it says she has been appointed as a judge, but that she is also an expert in Islamic family law. 

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Jayn200 -
LoveToChoke -
Jayn200 -
johnnypayne -
Jayn200 - 

Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

No, it isn’t, she works in the field of family law (divorces, spousal abuse, child matters etc) however her primary experience is working with those in her own community. This is a non story she is in the lowest rank of judges, we have male Sikh judges who wear the Turban at the highest level of the judiciary. To bar somebody based on religion would be illegal discrimination.

The simple fact is that if her religious beliefs impact on her judgements she wont be a judge for long, and if they don’t I don’t care what deity she prays to.

Judge Arshad, an expert in Islamic family law, said although the judicial office and appointments commission were doing their “absolute upmost”, the judiciary “is still not diverse enough”.

That is right from the article? is it a misprint then?

what do you think is the problem with having a more diverse judiciary?

I am asking if islamic family law is a thing in the UK or if they have a fully secular judicial system. Both can't be true. So are they secular or does something called islamic family law exist in the UK judicial system.

That's pretty easy logic to follow. What's so difficult about that for you?

The problem is your reading comprehension. From the article it says she has been appointed as a judge, but that she is also an expert in Islamic family law. 

Maybe I'm not communicating well.

Is Islamic family law a thing in the UK judicial system? 

If she's an expert in it, it must exist in the UK right?

Unless she practiced it in another country but there doesn't seem to be any indication of that.

To expand on that. To me it seems one of two things. Either Islamic family law is a part of the UK legal system and UK is not a secular country, which is what it is with it's own consequences.

Or alternatively she is trained and gives advice in accordance with a religious "Law" that isn't part of the UK legal system. In which case I don't understand how that would qualify her for to be a judge. She would have to set aside her entire career and all of her experience since it operates outside the UK judicial system. If that's the case and Judges don't need to have any relevant legal experience, why not just hire the smartest grads straight out of law school?

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LoveToChoke -
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LoveToChoke -
Jayn200 -
johnnypayne -
Jayn200 - 

Islamic family law? is that a thing in the UK judicial system? 

No, it isn’t, she works in the field of family law (divorces, spousal abuse, child matters etc) however her primary experience is working with those in her own community. This is a non story she is in the lowest rank of judges, we have male Sikh judges who wear the Turban at the highest level of the judiciary. To bar somebody based on religion would be illegal discrimination.

The simple fact is that if her religious beliefs impact on her judgements she wont be a judge for long, and if they don’t I don’t care what deity she prays to.

Judge Arshad, an expert in Islamic family law, said although the judicial office and appointments commission were doing their “absolute upmost”, the judiciary “is still not diverse enough”.

That is right from the article? is it a misprint then?

what do you think is the problem with having a more diverse judiciary?

I am asking if islamic family law is a thing in the UK or if they have a fully secular judicial system. Both can't be true. So are they secular or does something called islamic family law exist in the UK judicial system.

That's pretty easy logic to follow. What's so difficult about that for you?

The problem is your reading comprehension. From the article it says she has been appointed as a judge, but that she is also an expert in Islamic family law. 

Maybe I'm not communicating well.

Is Islamic family law a thing in the UK judicial system? 

If she's an expert in it, it must exist in the UK right?

Unless she practiced it in another country but there doesn't seem to be any indication of that.

No, it isn’t BUT... apparently Sharia Law marriages are a thing here and are not recognised under U.K. law. So when one of these marriages breaks down there’s almost a two tier divorce proceeding, a religious one and a legal one (if they decided to go and officially marry). It seems there are lawyers proficient in navigating both scenarios.

The UK is not a fully secular country. Anglicanism is the established religion (though only in England, not Wales, Northern Ireland or Scotland) and the House of Lords has seats for the Lords Spiritual.

It looks like she wrote a book about helping clients use aspects of Islamic family law. I have no idea what is really in it because it is obscenely expensive, but from the description it sounds like it is just finding ways to use English common law in ways that would also be in accordance with sharia. That could be as simple as signing agreements that the husband will provide his wife with Mahr, which is money or property set aside for a woman as her security in case of a divorce.

The UK also has established liaison groups for religious arbitration panels. English common law gives a lot of room for alternative dispute resolution. Religious courts, not just Muslim ones, work through arbitration and mediation. They can't do the big stuff like grant a divorce, but there are systems that try to harmonize the processes that start in arbitration and end up in actual courts.

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martyfly -

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

What exactly is the problem here? That a female Muslim is now a judge? You don’t think Muslims are fit to hold public offices?

She wouldn’t be able to hold that position under Sharia. Which she no doubt advocates for.

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LoveToChoke -
martyfly -
LoveToChoke -
martyfly -

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

What exactly is the problem here? That a female Muslim is now a judge? You don’t think Muslims are fit to hold public offices?

No, the problem is that they let her wear a hijab. Judges are supposed to be independent and also show this. This is the basis of the justice system. That is why judges don't wear out if they are Christian by wearing a cross or being Jewish by wearing a yamacha.

It’s not a problem at all but tell us why you think it should be a problem.

What if you had to appear in front of a judge wearing a hijab if you were accused of insulting a muslim (which, very sadly is possible these days). would you feel comfortoble if she was the one to decide about your sentencing?

It's not about beinig muslim, it's about being completely neutral and showing that.

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martyfly -
LoveToChoke -
martyfly -
LoveToChoke -
martyfly -

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

What exactly is the problem here? That a female Muslim is now a judge? You don’t think Muslims are fit to hold public offices?

No, the problem is that they let her wear a hijab. Judges are supposed to be independent and also show this. This is the basis of the justice system. That is why judges don't wear out if they are Christian by wearing a cross or being Jewish by wearing a yamacha.

It’s not a problem at all but tell us why you think it should be a problem.

What if you had to appear in front of a judge wearing a hijab if you were accused of insulting a muslim (which, very sadly is possible these days). would you feel comfortoble if she was the one to decide about your sentencing?

It's not about beinig muslim, it's about being completely neutral and showing that.

You think they bar judges from wearing crosses?

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martyfly -
LoveToChoke -
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LoveToChoke -
martyfly -

The UK has officially gone under to their political correctness. Giving up the notion of independence of your justice system in order not to offend someone. This country is doomed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-52819978

What exactly is the problem here? That a female Muslim is now a judge? You don’t think Muslims are fit to hold public offices?

No, the problem is that they let her wear a hijab. Judges are supposed to be independent and also show this. This is the basis of the justice system. That is why judges don't wear out if they are Christian by wearing a cross or being Jewish by wearing a yamacha.

It’s not a problem at all but tell us why you think it should be a problem.

What if you had to appear in front of a judge wearing a hijab if you were accused of insulting a muslim (which, very sadly is possible these days). would you feel comfortoble if she was the one to decide about your sentencing?

It's not about beinig muslim, it's about being completely neutral and showing that.

Good point. I would hate to be up on murder or rape charges and end up in front of a judge who hates that stuff. I would hope to get the judge that is all cool with it.

If she's found to not be impartial then she should be removed.

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