6-19-2010 -TUF 11 ULTIMATE FIGHTER 11-Finales-SPIKE TV-Las Vegas, Nevada
Court McGee Vs. Kris McCray
Court McGee -200
Kris McCray +160
Spencer Fisher Vs. Dennis Siver
Spencer Fisher -175
Dennis Siver +145
Jamie Yager Vs. Rich Attonito
Jamie Yager -145
Rich Attonito +115
John Gunderson Vs. Mark Holst
John Gunderson -450
Mark Holst +300
Brad Tavares Vs. Seth Baczynski
Brad Tavares -210
Seth Baczynski +170
Kyle Noke Vs. Josh Bryant
Kyle Noke -210
Josh Bryant +170
James Hammortree Vs. Chris Camozzi
James Hammortree +100
Chris Camozzi -130
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A money line, used in MMA, Boxing,Baseball and Hockey, takes the place of a point spread.
Money line betting is simply wagering on the contest based on a given price rather than a point spread.
The team/fighter wagered on has to win the game outright, regardless of the score.
The minus sign (e.g.-200) always indicates the favorite and the amount you must bet to win $100.
The plus sign (e.g.+180) always indicates the underdog and the amount you win for every $100 bet.
Using this example, therefore, you would bet $200 to win $100 on the favorite (net $300), while for the underdog you would bet $100 to win $180 ($280).
SOME EXAMPLES:
Rashad Evans vs. Mauricio Shogun
Mauricio Shogun Rua -250
Rashad Evans +190
Light Heavyweights
If you were to bet the 'favorite' Mauricio Shogun Rua -250 you would risk $250 to win $100, while if you chose Rashad Evansr +190, the 'underdog', you would risk $100 to win $190. Naturally you would get back your original investment wagered on either fighter if they won, so Mauricio Shogun Rua would net $350 with the $100 investment, while Rashad Evans would return $290 with the $100 investment.
B.J. Penn vs Frankie Edgar
B.J. Penn -340
Frankie Edgar +260
UFC Lightweight Championship
If you were to bet the 'favorite' B.J. Penn -340 you would risk $340 to win $100, while if you chose Frankie Edgar +260, the 'underdog', you would risk $100 to win $260. Naturally you would get back your original investment wagered on either fighter if they won, so B.J. Penn would net $440 with the $100 investment, while Frankie Edgar would return $360 with the $100 investment.
Randy Couture vs. James Toney
Randy Couture -575
James Toney +350
If you were to bet the 'favorite' Randy Couture -575 you would risk $575 to win $100, while if you chose James Toney +350, the 'underdog', you would risk $100 to win $350. Naturally you would get back your original investment wagered on either fighter if they won, so Randy Couture would net $675 with the $100 investment, while James Toney would return $450 with the $100 investment.
The over/under is the number of points oddsmakers expect will be the total combined score of two teams or the amount of rounds a fight must go over or under for the contest (You bet on whether the total points scored will be more or less than this number. As with point spread bets, you must generally wager $120 to win $100.
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This is a complete dick of a question, but why does the theoretical hold differ from one line to the next?
For Toney/Couture it's a whopping 6.9%, for Penn/Edgar it's 4.8%, Shogun/Evans it's 5.6%. Why is it not fixed?
I thought maybe it's down to how popular the line will be, but I would say three headlining fights would all be just as popular. Or is it to make an early reseve for the bookmaker, in case of heavy action on one side leaving them exposed?
Great question... and I''m gonna be honest... I dont know to explain it in writing..theoretical holds moneylines splits are in my head....lol....but heres best attempt...
diff btwn a -1400/+700 line 93.3% w/ 5.7% hold and a -800/+500 88.9% line is only ... 5.2 % hold
I'm not a math guy....the %'s and theoretical holds moneylines splits are in my head and charts work.....its how its been like since beginning of time in bookmaking...so I am actually not good at explaining this...a poker player would be better maybe at explaing math %'s questions..
I can tell you European books that use Decimal system are all over the board with their %..it goes up on a scale...
-110/+100 is 52.4% while -140/+110 is is 58.3% a 5.9% diff....
you gotta get some smart kid to figure it out.
I took my college course on it in back room of a NY strip club in back in 1990-1991
That's not what i meant, I was wondering on the why not the how. I was just wondering why they make the hold different from line to line and also different over time rather than just keeping it a set 5% say...
The hold is H = 1 - [D1*D2/(D1 + D2)] for decimal odds D1, D2 I believe. You're the man in the know and i'm interested to know why it varies.
I thought the line is constructed out of the hold H and the proportion of the money that will be bet on each opposing side, so if P1 is the proportion expected to come in on one side you set D1 = (1-H)/P1 and the other side to D2 = (1-H)/(1-P1). So i'm wondering why not keep H fixed and just make the line out of the proportions of money bet, rather than vary the hold for different lines and over time?
Sorry for the headache, i'm genuinly interested rather than trying to be a dick.
its all good..
its just been like that way forever...since i started in the industry in 1990...and I just learned it like the world is round...so dont know why..or how to explain it..
I admittedly am not good at math at all on paper...got about a 66% on every math regents I took in HS.... but can usually rattle it off in relation to odds...
the decimal stuff u posted above..when i see on paper..is almost like chinese to me...but it works in my head... maybe something wrong with my brain? seriously..i dont know...friends sometimes say that to me...
I'd love to learn it....and new stuff everyday..but wanna learn money markets with currency 1st...so its prob cpl yrs away...
Cool, i would love trade experience for knowledge. I've been doing maths at uni for what feels like forever and never got to apply it appart from gambling and finance stuff. Would trade that for learning the ropes in a strip club any day of the week.
McCray at +160 and Bryant at +170, does anyone see LNP victories for either of these guys?
More so for Bryant, who faces Kyle Noke, who lost a clear decision against McCray who has a very similar style to Bryant. Might be worth putting a few bucks down on one of these guys.
Oddessa has been doing this for so long, that he just knows what to do, it's like an instinct to him. Ask Allen Iverson to explain to you when the proper moment to do a crossover is, and I'll bet he'll have a hard time explaining it.
Classic example of street smart vs book smart.
What is the point, or what is, the theoretical hold, and what is it's use?
i thought jardine vs hamill was on that night??