USA Senate rejects fast tracking Keystone XL

Obama's term can't come to an end quick enough.  And from the results of the last election, the Democratic presidential candidate is going to get crushed.  They can finally get this pipeline done stop with the nonsense.

The Democrats stabbed Landrieu in the back. Her only chance of winning the runoff was keystone passing. There wasn't even a down side to throwing her a bone here because even though it was defeated here the Republicans will pass it when they take control in a couple months. Manchin is pissed and is blasting his fellow Democrats. Phone Post

jettdogg - Good, fuck em. Guess how many pipeline spills there were in Alberta Canada in the month of October? 90. The West Coast Native News started keeping track because the CA media covers up all these toxic spills and never mentions them.
The nastiest toxic shit ever will be running through that pipeline and these Canadian companies are beyond incompetent. Lets let them destroy half a state. Great idea!

The white house already did a study on this and found that the pollution is worse transporting it through trains and roads. Plus it causes more deaths. Of course the white house didn't like that result so decided they needed a new study. Phone Post

Jettdog, we've been looking for you on the Governor Walker thread.  Perhaps you unsubscribed?  Your input kinda vanished around election time :(

White347LX -
jettdogg - 
BadDog - Yeah, more good paying jobs for Americans is a bad thing.

Thanks, liberals! Phone Post 3.0

This is a nonsense argument. Get over it. The pipeline is a ridiculous idea. A foreign oil company running a pipeline through the heart of the country that will carry toxic oil. Retarded concept to begin with.

What's wrong with one more?

Boom! Knowledge in yo face Phone Post 3.0

Darup - 
jettdogg - Good, fuck em. Guess how many pipeline spills there were in Alberta Canada in the month of October? 90. The West Coast Native News started keeping track because the CA media covers up all these toxic spills and never mentions them.
The nastiest toxic shit ever will be running through that pipeline and these Canadian companies are beyond incompetent. Lets let them destroy half a state. Great idea!

The white house already did a study on this and found that the pollution is worse transporting it through trains and roads. Plus it causes more deaths. Of course the white house didn't like that result so decided they needed a new study. Phone Post



yeah, this is what I'm finding in my initial google assesment.



there will be an some increase of carbon emmisions because of the increase in oil being refined but that amount of oil will probably be refined anyways through traditional means and add the emmisions from those traditional modes of transportations and it lends to an increase in the overall amount of emmisions produced.  Plus it costs more.

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haven't read up on it but safety for the environment is a big concern.     the stuff they're gonna pump through those pipes sounds aweful. 

Honest question. When you say toxic shit, you mean oil correct? Or is there other product coming through? Phone Post 3.0


Honest question, did I ever say 'toxic shit' like you are stating?



 



 



I'm not against running pipes cross country as long as it's deemed safe and a good safety record to support it. According to that graph there are already hundreds of pipes going through multiple states, probably been like that for years but this pipe for whatever reason has the environmentalists in code red.



 



Reading up on bitumen now.



 



 



 

I'm not being argumentative. You said awful and I assumed toxic.

I may have combined your response with someone else's.

No need to be snarky. Phone Post 3.0

That was jettdogg who posted it was "The nastiest toxic shit ever."

Isn't that something though? It was delayed for a study, now Obama doesn't want it because it will cause greenhouse gasses?!

What if they rerouted it to avoid the Sandhills or can they even? I thought the Sandhills was the big deal about the pipeline anyway

So what Canada just sell it to china and we keep producing more and more of our own i guess Phone Post 3.0

Honestly, I think the truth is that the Obama administration made a back door deal with China.  They own about 1.2 trillion dollars of our debt.  And several years ago they were making noise that they might stop buying more of our debt.  That obviously can not happen. 

Since Canada has already said if we don't take the crude they will build a pipeline to their west coast and start shipping it to China, I think this is exactly what Obama intends.  China desperately wants that crude to help grow their economy.  Obama blocks Keystone, forcing the pipeline to them.  China reciprocats by purchasing more U.S. debt.  Obama gets to look like a savior to the environmentalists under the guise of "saving the environment".

jettdogg - Good, fuck em. Guess how many pipeline spills there were in Alberta Canada in the month of October? 90. The West Coast Native News started keeping track because the CA media covers up all these toxic spills and never mentions them.
The nastiest toxic shit ever will be running through that pipeline and these Canadian companies are beyond incompetent. Lets let them destroy half a state. Great idea!



Buddy you have no idea what you are talking about

damn

David@accu -
BadDog - Yeah, more good paying jobs for Americans is a bad thing.

Thanks, liberals! Phone Post 3.0


 



 



So if the U.S government decided it wanted to build internment camps for white male christians, you woud be ok with it becase the project means more jobs, amirite?

You're so retarded that there are virtually no words to describe it. Phone Post 3.0

It takes almost an entire year just to survey and perform the DOT above ground inspections for the gas lines just for the city of Baltimore. This doesn't include the remedial action that is necessary to fix broken pipe. Yes that pipe would be brand new and the effort it would take just to keep it running would guarantee at least a few thousand jobs. Bitumen is nasty shit but you walk on it everyday. You drive on it to get to point A to point B. It's asphalt. It's a by product of the refining process for crude oil. Would I want a pipeline of the stuff running through my neighborhood? No, but there are a 100 things that are far worse that run right under your feet and you don't know it. The issue is how much will the big corporations decide to skimp on repairs once that thing starts to break down. Most refineries choose not to upgrade their equipment because of cost and it is actually cheaper for them to just pay the fine. How much would the general public benefit if this thing goes online? I would have to see figures to see if the sacrifice would be worth it. Someone would be getting filthy filthy rich at the expense of the environment and the health of people. Phone Post 3.0

baj54 - It takes almost an entire year just to survey and perform the DOT above ground inspections for the gas lines just for the city of Baltimore. This doesn't include the remedial action that is necessary to fix broken pipe. Yes that pipe would be brand new and the effort it would take just to keep it running would guarantee at least a few thousand jobs. Bitumen is nasty shit but you walk on it everyday. You drive on it to get to point A to point B. It's asphalt. It's a by product of the refining process for crude oil. Would I want a pipeline of the stuff running through my neighborhood? No, but there are a 100 things that are far worse that run right under your feet and you don't know it. The issue is how much will the big corporations decide to skimp on repairs once that thing starts to break down. Most refineries choose not to upgrade their equipment because of cost and it is actually cheaper for them to just pay the fine. How much would the general public benefit if this thing goes online? I would have to see figures to see if the sacrifice would be worth it. Someone would be getting filthy filthy rich at the expense of the environment and the health of people. Phone Post 3.0


Have you read any other posts in this thread past OP's?

Soup and Beer -
baj54 - It takes almost an entire year just to survey and perform the DOT above ground inspections for the gas lines just for the city of Baltimore. This doesn't include the remedial action that is necessary to fix broken pipe. Yes that pipe would be brand new and the effort it would take just to keep it running would guarantee at least a few thousand jobs. Bitumen is nasty shit but you walk on it everyday. You drive on it to get to point A to point B. It's asphalt. It's a by product of the refining process for crude oil. Would I want a pipeline of the stuff running through my neighborhood? No, but there are a 100 things that are far worse that run right under your feet and you don't know it. The issue is how much will the big corporations decide to skimp on repairs once that thing starts to break down. Most refineries choose not to upgrade their equipment because of cost and it is actually cheaper for them to just pay the fine. How much would the general public benefit if this thing goes online? I would have to see figures to see if the sacrifice would be worth it. Someone would be getting filthy filthy rich at the expense of the environment and the health of people. Phone Post 3.0


Have you read any other posts in this thread past OP's?

No, why? I just saw a bunch of people talking about how this toxic stuff is going to be flowing through the pipe when in reality there are a ton of transmission lines all over the country that carry a lot worse then what will be going into that line. But don't mind my 2 cents it's not like I work for some sort of highly sought out industry consulting firm who has spent most of his life in the oil industry. Phone Post 3.0

It's a choice of what is the lesser evil? Do we guarantee a few thousand jobs in lieu of maybe destroying the environment? The truth of the matter is that at some point in the life span of any pipeline there are going to be mishaps that lead to an incidental release. It's just a matter of where and how much. As far as what is being transferred through those lines I feel there are those in the media who are demonizing the process. It will take a rather uncomfortable amount of environmental destruction in order to build this thing but you can't have an omelet without cracking a few eggs. Phone Post 3.0

baj54 - 
Soup and Beer -
baj54 - It takes almost an entire year just to survey and perform the DOT above ground inspections for the gas lines just for the city of Baltimore. This doesn't include the remedial action that is necessary to fix broken pipe. Yes that pipe would be brand new and the effort it would take just to keep it running would guarantee at least a few thousand jobs. Bitumen is nasty shit but you walk on it everyday. You drive on it to get to point A to point B. It's asphalt. It's a by product of the refining process for crude oil. Would I want a pipeline of the stuff running through my neighborhood? No, but there are a 100 things that are far worse that run right under your feet and you don't know it. The issue is how much will the big corporations decide to skimp on repairs once that thing starts to break down. Most refineries choose not to upgrade their equipment because of cost and it is actually cheaper for them to just pay the fine. How much would the general public benefit if this thing goes online? I would have to see figures to see if the sacrifice would be worth it. Someone would be getting filthy filthy rich at the expense of the environment and the health of people. Phone Post 3.0
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<span class="User-329817" id="userPost51504434">No, why? I just saw a bunch of people talking about how this toxic stuff is going to be flowing through the pipe when in reality there are a ton of transmission lines all over the country that carry a lot worse then what will be going into that line. But don't mind my 2 cents it's not like I work for some sort of highly sought out industry consulting firm who has spent most of his life in the oil industry. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/apple.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>

 

EDIT: Actually, nm.  I had meant to quote someone else in my original post addressed to you.