That I admit I don't know the answer to.
Looking to do my first BJJ tournament. But not fully clear on how points are awarded.
So one example that tends to happen in class:
- Start standing, opponent attempts to pull guard from a standing position, I "side step" and establish side control.
How many points is this worth?
(FYI, in judo you would only get any "points" if you hold the guy for at least 10 seconds. And most guys will not be attempting guard pulls at judo competitions.)
Three points. A guard pass or a takedown straight to side are both awarded 3 points, so doesn't really matter how you classify it
EDIT: This is how we've always scored on our tournaments. IBJJF rule book doesn't really address takedowns straight to a pass position that I can find. They may just score for the pass and not the takedown, which would still be 3 points.
Big VU, thanks, it's been on my mind for a while now.
3 points for passing the guard. 2 points for a takedown straight to side control.
True, they could score takedown for you, just depends on exactly how it plays out.
Some referees would give you 2 for the takedown. Others would give you 3 for passing guard. Others might give you 5 for getting a takedown and passing. It just depends on the ref and how they see the tiny nuances of the movement. Another group would score nothing since it isn't a takedown to avoid a guard pull and it isn't passing if someone pulls side control 
wombat - Some referees would give you 2 for the takedown. Others would give you 3 for passing guard. Others might give you 5 for getting a takedown and passing. It just depends on the ref and how they see the tiny nuances of the movement. Another group would score nothing since it isn't a takedown to avoid a guard pull and it isn't passing if someone pulls side control
You can pull side control and not give up any points? Can you pull mount and not give up any points?
misterw -wombat - Some referees would give you 2 for the takedown. Others would give you 3 for passing guard. Others might give you 5 for getting a takedown and passing. It just depends on the ref and how they see the tiny nuances of the movement. Another group would score nothing since it isn't a takedown to avoid a guard pull and it isn't passing if someone pulls side control
You can pull side control and not give up any points? Can you pull mount and not give up any points?
No, the mount position always scores four in IBJJF rules. Side control doesn't technically score anything though, only the action of passing guard,
Its kind of a stupid grey area for a lot of refs.
IMO takedown to control position should score more than a guard pass alone.
For IBJJF anyway...
You can't get passing points for landing in side control. The points come from passing a guard. In this scenario a guard never existed to pass.
Also cant get takedown points when someone else initiates the technique (guard pull)
Correct call is 0 points but refs are all over the place on knowing the rules so...
I'd say 3. But I can see the arguments for 5 or even 0 depending on the circumstances.
No guard pass - no points. No takedown- no points. It's just a bad guard pull. If there is an established guard before the pass then 3 points.
Thirteen -This right here, there has to be an established guard to get passed before points are awardedFor IBJJF anyway...
You can't get passing points for landing in side control. The points come from passing a guard. In this scenario a guard never existed to pass.
Also cant get takedown points when someone else initiates the technique (guard pull)
Correct call is 0 points but refs are all over the place on knowing the rules so...
baby-silverback -This. It's backwards tho, IMO. Getting the position should be rewarded. Not what lead to the positionThirteen -This right here, there has to be an established guard to get passed before points are awardedFor IBJJF anyway...
You can't get passing points for landing in side control. The points come from passing a guard. In this scenario a guard never existed to pass.
Also cant get takedown points when someone else initiates the technique (guard pull)
Correct call is 0 points but refs are all over the place on knowing the rules so...
Totally agree with rewarding the position, not the action. Side control should score no matter how you get there.
When I get rich, I'm going to run a comp where you only score by getting to side control, mount, or back mount. No sweep points, no takedown points, no points for passing. Just get to the position and you'll get your reward. And I'll need to be rich, because probably no-one will come and I'll make a massive loss on it.
James
Sir Taps - Totally agree with rewarding the position, not the action. Side control should score no matter how you get there.
When I get rich, I'm going to run a comp where you only score by getting to side control, mount, or back mount. No sweep points, no takedown points, no points for passing. Just get to the position and you'll get your reward. And I'll need to be rich, because probably no-one will come and I'll make a massive loss on it.
James
I've been saying the same thing (Although I'm up in the air about takedowns)... I also added that no ties, advantages or ref's decisions...Sudden death OT.
Meatgrinder -Sir Taps - Totally agree with rewarding the position, not the action. Side control should score no matter how you get there.
When I get rich, I'm going to run a comp where you only score by getting to side control, mount, or back mount. No sweep points, no takedown points, no points for passing. Just get to the position and you'll get your reward. And I'll need to be rich, because probably no-one will come and I'll make a massive loss on it.
James
I've been saying the same thing (Although I'm up in the air about takedowns)... I also added that no ties, advantages or ref's decisions...Sudden death OT.
So if you lose you iz ded?
I like.
carcaju -Meatgrinder -Sir Taps - Totally agree with rewarding the position, not the action. Side control should score no matter how you get there.
When I get rich, I'm going to run a comp where you only score by getting to side control, mount, or back mount. No sweep points, no takedown points, no points for passing. Just get to the position and you'll get your reward. And I'll need to be rich, because probably no-one will come and I'll make a massive loss on it.
James
I've been saying the same thing (Although I'm up in the air about takedowns)... I also added that no ties, advantages or ref's decisions...Sudden death OT.
So if you lose you iz ded?
I like.
totally.. It's the only way we can call it a "fight" instead of a "match". Now we can harass all the couch potato tough guys and say that mma isn't really a fight if it might not be to the death. It's just an mma match.