Vid: Allah? Jesus? Or Eminem?

"'One of the biggest issues leaving society confused today is not knowing who God is. This is mainly due to the amount of corrupt definitions of God available in the public, from Thor, to Zeus, to both Kanye West and Eminem labelling themselves as "Gods", many of us have either given up on God completely or are left with a misconstrued understanding of who God is.

I present to you God in the most logical and rational sense yet. Ten minutes of your time that would only benefit you if you were truly sincere to find out the truth."

well if the video doesnt help clear it up, we can revert back to beheading people who dont agree with our god view. 

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BigEyedFish - 

well if the video doesnt help clear it up, we can revert back to beheading people who dont agree with our god view. 

Death to the infidel Eminem worshippers! Kanyehu Akbar!

Justafiend and liontroll

Are the two worst posters on this site.

Muslim propaganda in one form or another.

Fuck then and their mothers basements. Phone Post 3.0


Eminem has definitely beheaded less people and raped less people and stoned less women than Mohammed and his evil hordes, so I will take him over Allah any time.

Seriously though isn't past time you got to Syria and jihaded yourself already justafriend? You are a very boring man and the sooner you are a corpse the better the world will be.

Leigh - Justafriend, you are always polite on here and I admire your persistence but don't you see the problems with your religion? Do you not think that sharia law is absurd? Phone Post 3.0

it's a common problem in muslim societies.

the quran is thought to the direct word of god, so a muslim cannot openly oppose anything within it, even if they secretly disagree.

in the pakistani court system, thieves don't get their hands cut off, adulterers don't get stoned to death and no one gets executed for blasphemy.

disclaimer: all those are true of the judicial system, but in recent years mob justice has increased significantly and many people have suffered horribly for mere allegations of such "crimes"

as a complete aside, the quran actually does not advocate death for apostasy or adulterers, the arguments stem from hadith. most influential sunni schools of thought have declared, somewhat quietly, that suicide bombings are illegal and most do not consider apostasy punishable by death (although the majority of shia schools of thought do).

the point is, things are fairly nuanced.

it's easy enough to believe in sharia law in theory, it's not so easy when someone puts a knife in your hand and says "this man stole something, cut his hand off"

Leigh - Thanks for the reply.

I have to raise this: "it's easy enough to believe in sharia law in theory"

In theory, it sounds crazy. Just so we know where we stand. Phone Post 3.0

i should have been more eloquent.

by "easy enough to support in theory", what i meant is this: by definition, no muslim is going to oppose what is written in the quran. and if islamic scholars extrapolate laws from suras, your average muslim will not easily find firm ground to stand on to oppose those laws, even if they find them repugnant.

that is why thieves don't actually get their hands amputated (except in saudi arabia). people don't think it's an appropriate punishment, but they can't say so openly, because it runs counter to the quran. so everyone is content sending robbers to prison while at the same time proclaiming the perfection of the quran.

trust me dude, i know it's bat-shit crazy.

i'm only making to effort cause sometimes i'm surprised by how very smart and educated people fail to connect the dots sometimes.

the taliban/is/al-qaida types wage war over there because they can't win an election; very few people actually want a "real" islamic society.

why is islam so popular in third-world countries?

because it's the only way people have hope in their lives. born into devastating poverty with no possible way out? it's ok, it's just a test from god, your true reward will be in the afterlife. so suffer temporarily right now and you will be rewarded with kingdom of heaven.

keep in mind, the literacy rates are very very low.
maybe only 10% of people have read the quran (with a translation) and are genuinely informed.

like all religions, people extoll the positive aspects and ignore the more troublesome parts.

i'm trying to paint a realistic picture, because too often i encounter smart people who don't understand that, in very practical terms, islam does a lot to provide emotional and psychological comfort for people who lead very hard lives.

it may feel good to make it simplistic but the world is complicated.

holy shit.

joined in 06, been lurking since 04.

finally VTFU


@Mr Ridgeback, hijackthread attempt or a message?
I respect Mr Williams, his tolerance for other faiths surprised me a lot especially when he talked about Sharia and the Hijab a while back. I respectfully disagree with Mr Williams, GODs attributes are described for us in the Bible and the Quran, no need for us to go beyond that or philosophically invent a new attribute in order to reconcile two different ideas.

@Mr Leigh
No, i don't see any problem with Islam quite the contrary, i believe Islam is the answer to the problems in the World today such as poverty, injustice, immorality, Consumerism, Capitalism without a moral filter, egoism, arrogance etc, i do however understand the fear and the disapproval from some as they're not used to the judicial aspect of the Sharia (which is harsh to deter people from committing crimes) coming from a somewhat liberal background, bias media and Muslims with an horrible character also plays a role..

justafriend, if sharia is harsh "to deter people from committing crimes", then why not simply make all crime punishable by death?

Appreciate the insights easykash vtfu Phone Post 3.0

Islamic countries? not very Islamic..
Saudi Arabia: Leaked cable reveals how royals get rich

"Islam is the religion and way of life that was revealed to humanity by our creator, Allah (swt). Since Allah (swt) is the one who created the heavens and the earth, and out of His unlimited mercy to mankind, He also revealed to us a way of life and a religion, Islam, that give us peace and happiness in our lives here on earth and in the afterlife. Islam was revealed as a practical religion that covers all aspects of our lives, and it is intended to be implemented in our lives. It brings peace and justice to earth, after all, who is more just and wise than Allah (swt), the creator of the heavens and the earth, the most knowledgeable?

As such, when implemented honestly and correctly, Islam provides solutions to all problems that are faced by humanity. One of the most widespread and dangerous problems faced by humanity is that of poverty, hunger and starvation. There is nothing more horrifying than the realization that as we live our happy lives here, millions of our fellow human beings live in hunger and face starvation. The majority of the world population today lives in poverty. It is clear that the world system we have set up today is unjust and inhumane. Otherwise, how can we allow this situation to continue with less than 10% of the world population controlling over 90% of the wealth and resources on this earth?

Islam, revealed to humanity over 1400 years ago, came with the most just and easy solution to the problem of poverty, hunger and starvation in this world. If Islam is implemented in the world today, the problem of poverty, hunger and starvation would be completely eliminated within a year. Islam, revealed to us by Allah (swt), the most knowledgeable, wise and just, solves the problem of poverty and hunger through several methods:

The Obligatory Zakat:

Islam makes it obligatory on every Muslim to pay a certain "tax", called Zakat, on their accumulated wealth. The money collected from this Zakat is to be distributed among the poor and needy.

The Arabic word "Zakat" means both 'purification' and 'growth'. One of the most important principles of Islam is that all things belong to Allah (swt), and that wealth is therefore held by human beings in trust. Our wealth is purified by setting aside a proportion for those in need, and, like the pruning of plants, this cutting back balances and encourages new growth in our wealth.

Zakat is due on accumulated wealth that has been in the possession of a person for at least one year. There are rules on how to pay Zakat on each type of possessions, such as gold, animals, crops, shares and so on. A certain percentage of each type of these possessions is to be paid as Zakat. Note that the Zakat is taken from excess wealth that a person is accumulating and has had in their possession for over a year. It is not paid on income. Therefore, people whose save nothing after covering their expenses with their income do not pay Zakat, and in fact may be eligible to receive Zakat money from others if their income does not cover all their needs.

The Zakat is to be distributed among people of the following categories, depending on need:

1) The Destitute: Those who don't have material possessions nor nor means of livelihood.
2) The Poor: Those with insufficient means of livelihood to meet basic needs.
3) The Indebted: Those who are in debt and have difficulty repaying it.
4) Stranded Traveller: The traveller who does not have enough money to complete their journey.
5) To Free Slaves: Zakat money is to be used to purchase slaves and free them. 6) New Muslims: Those who are new to Islam and require help to integrate themselves into the Muslims community.
7) In the Path of Allah: Zakat money can also be spent in the path of Allah. This can include many things, basically any project that helps Muslims or Islamic causes.
8) Zakat Workers: Those whose job it is to collect and re-distribute Zakat money get their salary from the Zakat money.

How Can Zakat Eliminate Poverty and Starvation?

If Islam was implemented in the world today, starvation would be eliminated from the planet within the first year. The Zakat due on agricultural products ranges from 5% to 10% of the produce. There is also Zakat due on various types of animals such as sheep, cows and camels. Imagine if 5%-10% of all agricultural production in the world, plus the required amounts on animals are distributed among the hungry and starving people of this world. The problem would be solved immedeatly. In the system we have today, some nations intentionally spoil a part of their agricultural production in order to maintain high prices for their produce. Can you see the difference between the system driven by human greed and the Islam which was imposed by Allah (swt), the most gracious and most merciful?

In addition, Islam can solve the problem of poverty. Consider the Zakat due on money. Zakat is due at 2.5% on money that has been in one's possession for over a year. Now consider this simple fact: Forbes Magazine reported that in 2004 there were 587 billionaires worldwide, with a combined net worth of $1.9 trillion dollars. If in 2004 these 587 richest people in the world paid zakat, we would have had $47.5 billion dollars distributed among the poor.

This calculation has just considered less than 600 individuals on this earth. What about if everyone contributed to a global Zakat fund in the same way? The total world GDP (summation of gross domestic product of all countries in the world) was estimated in 1999 to be $27,357.9 billion dollars. The 2.5% Zakat on this would amount to $683.95 billion dollars annually. These are just ball park figures to give the reader an idea of how much money Zakat can generate.

This Zakat money should not only be distributed for immedeate relief to the poor. It can also be given in the form of small business loans. For example, poor farmers can be given loans or even grants from this Zakat money to enable them to purchase the equipment and materials they need to lift them out of poverty. The same can be done for small business owners, or for the poor to set up small workshops or factories to lift them out of poverty once and for all. Within a few years, poverty would be eliminated or at least greatly reduced.

Optional Charity:

As discussed earlier, the obligatory Zakat imposed by Islam can easily solve the problems of poverty and starvation in the world. However, in addition to that, Islam greatly encourages Muslims to give extra charity. For example, the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) once said that the person who sleeps full while his neighbour sleeps hungry is not a true believer. Islam also always encourages charity in all situations. For example, for the persons who are not able to fast in Ramadan, they are required to feed some poor people for each day they do not fast. And there are many such examples.

Examples of Charity in the holy Qur'an and the Sunnah:

Allah (swt) said: "And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity" (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2, verse 110).

Allah (swt) said addressing the messenger of Allah, Mohammad (pbuh): "Of their goods take alms (charity), so that you might purify and sanctify them, and pray on their behalf" (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 9, verse 103).

When the messenger of Allah, Mohammad (pbuh), sent one of his companions to call the people of Yemen to Islam, he asked him to tell them the basics of Islam, among which was: "... and tell them that Allah has made obligatory on them a charity that is taken from their rich and given to their poor..." (Reported by Bukhari and Muslim).

Allah (swt) said: "So he who gives (in charity) and fears (Allah), and (in all sincerity) testifies to the Best, We will indeed make smooth for him the path to Bliss. But he who is a greedy miser and thinks himself self-sufficient, And gives the lie to the Best, We will indeed make smooth for him the Path to Misery; Nor will his wealth profit him when he falls headlong (into the hell fire)." (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 92, verses 5-11).

Allah (swt) said: "By no means shall you attain righteousness unless ye give (freely) of that which you love; and whatever you give, Allah knows it well." (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, verse 92).

Allah (swt) said: "O ye who believe! Cancel not your charity by reminders of your generosity or by injury, like those who spend their substance to be seen of men, but believe neither in Allah nor in the Last Day. They are in Parable like a hard barren rock, on which is a little soil; on it falls heavy rain, which leaves it (just) a bare stone. They will be able to do nothing with aught they have earned. And Allah guideth not those who reject Faith." (Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2, verse 264). "

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Leigh, if you have time, for opposing views on Islam you could check out Robert Spencer's "Truth About Muhammad", or "Islam vs West: Fact or Fiction?" by Abubakr Asadulla.

Sam Harris's "The End of Faith" is very interesting in its approach. Phone Post 3.0