Hey guys,
We agree this time across the board.
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Didn't he break his hand in the initial flurry against saluraba?
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Great post 10/10
That was excellent JS. I'll click the url and finish up at work/goof off. The Chuck and Vitor gif is pretty telling. I know it's older, but Vitor doens't seem to have changed a bunch.
Dana made a point about the fight of whether we see the Vitor that throws or the one that has "frozen" up sometimes. I can't remember him freezing up much, but def slowing down and letting the opponent dictate the tempo ala AS and a few others. Do you agree with that statement? at least that he does freeze up?
I find this an almost impossible fight for Vitor, though I wish him the best to fight the best he has ever fought. I'm even just looking at the Anthony Johnson fight where he got tagged by AJ on the feet (and some gnp). AJ seems to have faded fast, shot a double from across the cage and didn't resist much to Vitor grabbing his back. I'm not bashing AJ; it seems to be a problem and maybe weight cutting was an issue and he's a super nice guy. It's also hard to tell certain things when you aren't in there experiencing it yourself. I felt he got pretty beat up by a light heavy in that fight, even though AJ faded. I was actually really happy to see Vitor perceviere through that.
By your article it looks even worse, as JJ is actually really good at some of Vitor's weaknesses... I like both fighters a lot, but the odds are obviously in JJ's favor and even more so after your dissection of Vitor. Did I miss an article regarding his strengths? (not ripping you, I just want to see both sides!).
btw, this is one of your best pieces to date. thank you
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Some of the best articles in the business, Jack.
Analysis doesn't bode well for his fight at all; but I don't think anyone believes Vitor has a shot outside of the ol' puncher's chance.
"One of the reasons that Chuck Liddell was able to drop Vitor Belfort was that Vitor continues to run straight in, swinging punches faster than his opponent in hopes of knocking them out. When Vitor ran in flurrying, Liddell pivoted to a different location, Belfort chased him, ended up almost chest to chest and got caught with Chuck's shots as the latter fired back. This is a brilliant example of Belfort's aggression working against him (more of those to come). (G)"
This is his first fight he ever threw a kick in. Going into the third round vitor had won both round 1+2, as liddel didnt manage much of anything as of yet.
Vitors cornermen told him he was losing the fight, and needed a knockout for the victory, which completely threw his game plan out of the window.
So in an attempt of desperation vitor rushed in, it was his last stand, and liddel dropping him was enough to secure the victory as the fight had been pretty close.
"Difficulty Dealing with Kicks
Vitor has never liked the act of kicking or become accustomed to defending kicks. Throughout his career Vitor has eaten kicks from the most unlikely kickers simply because they have worked out that Vitor is going to attempt to slug with them almost exclusively. Beginning with Kazushi Sakuraba, on to Chuck Liddell, and eventually to Anderson Silva whose kicking prowess allowed him to knock Vitor out where the other two men simply beat him up at range.
If you have never seen Kazushi Sakuraba versus Vitor Belfort I highly recommend watching it - it will make you realise why Sakuraba was pound for pound number 1 in the world for such a long time. Giving up 25 lbs to Belfort, Sakuraba weathered an early Vitor flurry and went on to beat up a disheartened Belfort on the feet with spinning back kicks, low kicks and the occasional surprisingly hard punch. After the first spinning back kick that Sakuraba landed Vitor immediately flopped to his back and chose to play guard, and this pattern was repeated every time Belfort stood up, failed to get into range to punch Sakuraba, and got kicked."
This is also bull, liddel landed 2 pretty hard spinning back kicks that didn't bother belfort at all in their fight. Second, belfort broke his hand in his initial flurry, and at that point he had never thrown a kick in his career. He was also wearing wrestling shoes, so he wasn't allowed to kick, which pretty much limited his stand up to fighting with 1 arm.
Another great read, as usual.
Rich Franklin low top 10? That is crazy, tons of people thought he beat Dan Henderson and he hadn't been beat by anyone else at middleweight besides Silva. I think Lindland was ranked number 2 because he did well against much bigger opponents like Fedor and Rampage AND hadn't lost at middleweight in forever. He was a very good wrestler and you kins of dismissed the win.
I'm not saying you are wrong about Vitor's weaknesses, but feel like you exaggerated some things to make your points and I didn't like it. Just my 2 cents
I really dont see a pivot, or an attempt to pivot to the right. Over analysis IMO. Looks like Chuck did what he always does when someone comes straight in on him.
Vitor main problem is Vitor.
Rich Franklin a low top 10 fighter is joke.
mijo - I really dont see a pivot, or an attempt to pivot to the right. Over analysis IMO. Looks like Chuck did what he always does when someone comes straight in on him.
Vitor main problem is Vitor.
Rich Franklin a low top 10 fighter is joke.
So when Chuck goes from backing up towards the camera to moving toward the left of the screen he is what... levetating? That's a pivot man.
Vitor's main problem is not fighting his peers but guys who are much below him. He has fought NO-ONE in the current middleweight top 10 or even Sherdog's honorary mentions.
FatFrenchFry - Didn't he break his hand in the initial flurry against saluraba?
I've heard both that and that it was a fixed fight.
And Jack, if you are going to include he was scheduled to fight Wand to show his lack of competition, why did you not include that he was also scheduled to face a pretty good grappler in Okami?
OnlyTheStrongSurvive -FatFrenchFry - Didn't he break his hand in the initial flurry against saluraba?I've heard both that and that it was a fixed fight.
And Jack, if you are going to include he was scheduled to fight Wand to show his lack of competition, why did you not include that he was also scheduled to face a pretty good grappler in Okami?
He's been scheduled to fight a lot of guys, but for one reason or another they haven't come about.
The only real stat we need to remember when considering Belfort is that he has fought none of Sherdog's current top ten middleweights, or even the honorary mentions.
I doubt the Sakuraba fight was fixed because Sakuraba was actually beating Belfort up. Fixed fights are normally pretty obvious like Coleman - Takada or Suzuki - Shamrock 2. Guys just use the speculation over Yakuza involvement when they don't like the outcome of a fight.