VPN advice TIA

With all that is going on, decided to install a VPN. Looking for recommendations. Windows desktop and laptop, Apple everything else iPads, phones, etc.) TNX 

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I'd suggest looking at your router and see if it can connect to VPN services in the settings. That would make things a lot easier if you use that to make the connection then you won't need to do anything on all of your devices... at least not when you're at home using them.

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I pay like $8 a month or some such, for a VPN service called private internet access (PIA). You can have like 5 devices on one subscription. No complaints at all, and it seems to do what it is supposed to do.

Thanks, just all the stuff on the news about tracking for corona, etc. I read an article where they actually tested out a huge facial recognition system on the entire crowds of three college football games last season. The whole “Big Brother” thing is scary to an old guy like me. I was amazed that my TV is listening to my conversations and targeting me with adverts. The new Apple update has tracking built in. I am law abiding and have nothing to hide but just get creeped out by the whole thing. I watched “Enemy of the State” with Will Smith the other night and it just got me thinking maybe a VPN would be a good thing to have. I realize when you are away from home it offers no protection. The other thing is I own a beach house that I rent out, what if some guy gets on there and makes a threat, buys drugs, etc. would I get in trouble because they are using my router down there (different cable and provider.) 

I use VPN only for stuff like downloading torrents so my ISP doesn’t pick up that I downloaded a TV show.

I don’t expect it to protect me against the NSA or Google, nor do I use the internet for anything other than normal shit.

So I just go with the cheap options… I think Nordic VPN for 3 years was like $100.

Another vote for PIA.  Also - don't look at any of the free ones.  You'd be better off without one.

As for running it thru your router (as opposed to on each individual device) you will need a pretty high-end one to handle the load.  I have a pretty nice (and expensive router), but when i tried to run PIA on it to cover all devices in the house, it bogged down terribly.  While a lot of the newer routers have the option, they don't have the computing horsepower to deliver.

Another thing to remember is that you won't be able to watch some of the streaming services (especially netflix) while on a VPN. So adding to the individual devices may make more sense if that will be a problem.

I've had no major issues with expressvpn.  My only complaint is the play store doesn't accept vpns so I have to turn it off to update apps.

I dont get all those gay porn ads anymore so I think its working.

I currently have ipvanish and do not recommend it at all. I’m always having connection issues with it. 

ExpressVPN, very good, but expensive

NordVPN, really good but some questionable business practices

SurfShark, really good, good price, but new (only a couple years old) 

ProtonVPN, good, completely open source, a trusted company, but a little pricey and middle of the road to good (but not great) speeds

Mullvad, private, good speeds, around $65/yr

Ivacy, good, cheap price

Private Internet Access (PIA), was good, but recently acquired by a company that I'm the past used to bundle other software with their stuff. They claim they're not going to do that with PIA, but people are wary of them for now.

VPNArea, good

Windscribe, good, but based in Canada so some people are wary of them 

IPVanish, good, but had an incident in the past where they helped authorities (I forget the details), and people haven't forgiven them for that.

IVPN, good, a bit pricey, I don't have much experience with them but people who's opinion I trust say good things

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. If you're using a free VPN, Windscribe and ProtonVPN are the only free ones I'd use.

Keep in mind VPNs we're not originally designed for privacy, it's a secondary (or lower) benefit. 

You're also tracked by more than just your IP. Using appropriate add-ons can help reduce (but not eliminate) your tracked footprint.

Privacy Badger, uBlock Origin, and HTTPS Everywhere help to keep you more private (but again, doesn't eliminate being tracked). 

NoScript is another good browser add-on, but it'll mess up enough website that it'll frustrate a non-tech person who doesn't want to put in the time to get it set up right.

Cookie AutoDelete is also good, but will frustrate people as it keeps deleting your cookies once your done with the page. 

Containers are also something gaining in popularity to keep information from one browser window being used by other pages. 

Also, don't use Chrome, Firefox properly set up is your best bet.

Lastly, there's no such think a total privacy online. Just making it really difficult. That's fine though, since most people aren't trying to get away with anything, just trying not to be tracked by Google, Facebook, their ISP, etc 

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Thanks for all the information. I am much better educated now! One can read reviews and watch YouTube videos but I trust info from real people much better. I fit into the “not trying to get away with anything” group you mentioned. I will no doubt just go with the individual device method. I appreciate the help. 

prob expressvpn if you can afford, if not nordvpn. But get a code from someone/anyone literally for nordvpn discount.

VU for sicko! Def gonna look into a better vpn

Any of the free ones you recommend? 

Ryazzo - prob expressvpn if you can afford, if not nordvpn. But get a code from someone/anyone literally for nordvpn discount.

Do you have a code? What are the benefits of a VPN? 

I don’t have a VPN No. If I need to remain somewhat anonymous I’ll fire up a VM with Parrot OS. But honestly the slower speeds for VPN are killers for me. I suppose if you travel and use a lot of public WiFi or if you want to view content that’s geographical locked a vpn is worth it. It the cost plus the slower speeds I just pass. Of as for the codes just google nordvpn coupon. I think the YouTuber pew die pie has one on his videos. Very easy to find

nordvpn is on sale for 70% off right now if you buy a 2 or 3 year sub.

in. I travel a lot and want to be able to use the interwebs and get international content at home as well.

More info!

ShortyMac -

Any of the free ones you recommend? 

The only free ones I trust are ProtonVPN and to a degree Windscribe. 

ProtonVPN is completely open source, their apps, their server code, etc. and they're a trusted company. Their free tier let's you pick from three servers (US, Europe, and Asia), limits your speeds, and maybe limits your data, but they're a very trusted company which is why I'd trust their free VPN 

I've posted on this before, not sure if people actually listen or not...but, a VPN is a good start but you need to take a few more steps.

First, get rid of flash, or at least install flash control to minimize leaks.  Install a WebRTC addon, get privacy badger, add Vanilla addon, Use duck duck go or similar instead of Google, especially if you use Chrome.  DL some software to detect ISP leaks.  There are other things you can do like configuring ipv4 and 6, turning off ipv4 and going with 6 can enable end-to-end encrytion and is overall more secure with less leakage as well as supports more secure name resolution.  But if you are not pc literate I am not sure how approachable that is.  These are some of the things I use just to stream certain PPV's.

I am sure more knowledgable OG'ers can add to this.

Dashabox -

I've posted on this before, not sure if people actually listen or not...but, a VPN is a good start but you need to take a few more steps.

First, get rid of flash, or at least install flash control to minimize leaks.  Install a WebRTC addon, get privacy badger, add Vanilla addon, Use duck duck go or similar instead of Google, especially if you use Chrome.  DL some software to detect ISP leaks.  There are other things you can do like configuring ipv4 and 6, turning off ipv4 and going with 6 can enable end-to-end encrytion and is overall more secure with less leakage as well as supports more secure name resolution.  But if you are not pc literate I am not sure how approachable that is.  These are some of the things I use just to stream certain PPV's.

I am sure more knowledgable OG'ers can add to this.

For casual users, i would also recommend using the Brave Brower.  It has many of the privacy tools (tracker blockers, ad blockers, etc) that i would normally add in as a browser extension.