allforroy - Wandy fought a great fight. Dominated, well I was excited! But he was in total control and his strategy to consistently drop back 5 or 6 steps every time Cung tried to kick him was PERFECT. I think a lot of people posting about this fight haven't seen it multiple times.
Actually his decision to keep backing up was what put him in range of Le's spinning moves in the first place. Normally you try and get close to a guy and jam him when he goes for spinning moves. Silva was staying just far enough away to get tagged on Le's extension.
Le won the first round but tired himself out. Wand had a great strategy to counter those kicks & shots with his flurry. Also those head kicks threw Cung off.
Just an overall classic great performance by the Axe Murderer.
allforroy - Wandy fought a great fight. Dominated, well I was excited! But he was in total control and his strategy to consistently drop back 5 or 6 steps every time Cung tried to kick him was PERFECT. I think a lot of people posting about this fight haven't seen it multiple times.
LOL at anyone thinking that moving straight backwards to counter is a "PERFECT" strategy. The only moments Wand was winning were when he was moving forward and throwing combinations. Le was gassed, too. Not to take away from Wand, the guy is nearly impossible to hate, but you're trying to make him seem like a technical genius. The fight was a brawl.
allforroy - Wandy fought a great fight. Dominated, well I was excited! But he was in total control and his strategy to consistently drop back 5 or 6 steps every time Cung tried to kick him was PERFECT. I think a lot of people posting about this fight haven't seen it multiple times.
LOL at anyone thinking that moving straight backwards to counter is a "PERFECT" strategy. The only moments Wand was winning were when he was moving forward and throwing combinations. Le was gassed, too. Not to take away from Wand, the guy is nearly impossible to hate, but you're trying to make him seem like a technical genius. The fight was a brawl.
BS. He avoided a ton of damage by moving back, re-setting and countering. He fought a thoughtful, strategic fight. And Le gassed because he got worked.
allforroy - Wandy fought a great fight. Dominated, well I was excited! But he was in total control and his strategy to consistently drop back 5 or 6 steps every time Cung tried to kick him was PERFECT. I think a lot of people posting about this fight haven't seen it multiple times. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
LOL at anyone thinking that moving straight backwards to counter is a "PERFECT" strategy.
Moving backwards in a straight line is suicide against a boxer but not against someone throwing spinning kicks.
allforroy - Wandy fought a great fight. Dominated, well I was excited! But he was in total control and his strategy to consistently drop back 5 or 6 steps every time Cung tried to kick him was PERFECT. I think a lot of people posting about this fight haven't seen it multiple times. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
LOL at anyone thinking that moving straight backwards to counter is a "PERFECT" strategy.
Moving backwards in a straight line is suicide against a boxer but not against someone throwing spinning kicks.
Thats the thing though, Cung was doing alot of spinning kicks, but was also throwing alot of straight kicks. Like I said though, it wasn't the perfect way to fight a guy like Cung, but Cung has been able to hurt everyone he's fought. Wandy still beat him impressively.
I AM A MOFO - This thread is amazing in it's stupidity. I think OP may be the only one who has actually seen the fight.
Wand was NOT nearly KO'd, ever in that fight. He WAS surprised by an early spinning backfist, that almost dropped him. I don't even think his knees hit the ground when he was "DROPPED N ALMOST KO'D WTF ZOINKS!".
The rest of the first round/fight on Cung's part was almost entirely throwing spinning/wheel/whatever kicks that mostly hit either A;Wand's arms or B; nothing at all. He did have a couple decent body kicks.
Cung was hurt worse at the end of that round than Wandy was in the beginning, and Wand's flurry at the end probably had more strikes than Cung landed the entire round.
Hell Wand even landed more headkicks than Cung.
Cung landed ONE good strike (that Wand has shown susceptibility to in the past against Hendo n Chuck) early in the fight and lost the rest of it.
allforroy - Wandy fought a great fight. Dominated, well I was excited! But he was in total control and his strategy to consistently drop back 5 or 6 steps every time Cung tried to kick him was PERFECT. I think a lot of people posting about this fight haven't seen it multiple times. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I actually didn't like Wand's strategy. I think that when he allowed all that space and was backing up, Cung was winning. Wand's windmill punches did not land...It was actually when Wand closed the distance that he did well. He was too close for Cung to use his kicks. Cung began to back peddle to make this space and Wand was able to take advantage. It believe it was actually straight punches that landed. Not the windmill variety. He did get caught by the spinning backfist, but in general he was far better coming forward and closing the distance...And that was how he was able to put away the fight with the knee from the clinch.
allforroy - Wandy fought a great fight. Dominated, well I was excited! But he was in total control and his strategy to consistently drop back 5 or 6 steps every time Cung tried to kick him was PERFECT. I think a lot of people posting about this fight haven't seen it multiple times. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
LOL at anyone thinking that moving straight backwards to counter is a "PERFECT" strategy.
Moving backwards in a straight line is suicide against a boxer but not against someone throwing spinning kicks.
Thats the thing though, Cung was doing alot of spinning kicks, but was also throwing alot of straight kicks. Like I said though, it wasn't the perfect way to fight a guy like Cung, but Cung has been able to hurt everyone he's fought. Wandy still beat him impressively. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Those "straight" kicks were all aimed at the body and not apt to KO him, ASIDE from being few and far between. He threw way more spinning kicks (and punches) toward the head which made moving backward by FAR a safer strategy than circling.
Like the guy above said, if Wand was fighting a boxer or even a normal kickboxer you would be correct.
Different things become the "right" things against different styles.
Just re-watched the fight, you're definitely correct. Now that I did a little bit more analyzation I saw that Wandy actually had alot of success moving backwards against Le and then countering. If you watch his fight against Bisping, you can see how well he can circle against a boxing oriented striker.
On top of that, if Wand had circled alot against Le, those spinning strikes would probably have done him in.
allforroy - Wandy fought a great fight. Dominated, well I was excited! But he was in total control and his strategy to consistently drop back 5 or 6 steps every time Cung tried to kick him was PERFECT. I think a lot of people posting about this fight haven't seen it multiple times. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
LOL at anyone thinking that moving straight backwards to counter is a "PERFECT" strategy.
Moving backwards in a straight line is suicide against a boxer but not against someone throwing spinning kicks.
Thats the thing though, Cung was doing alot of spinning kicks, but was also throwing alot of straight kicks. Like I said though, it wasn't the perfect way to fight a guy like Cung, but Cung has been able to hurt everyone he's fought. Wandy still beat him impressively. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Those "straight" kicks were all aimed at the body and not apt to KO him, ASIDE from being few and far between. He threw way more spinning kicks (and punches) toward the head which made moving backward by FAR a safer strategy than circling.
Like the guy above said, if Wand was fighting a boxer or even a normal kickboxer you would be correct.
Different things become the "right" things against different styles.
Just re-watched the fight, you're definitely correct. Now that I did a little bit more analyzation I saw that Wandy actually had alot of success moving backwards against Le and then countering. If you watch his fight against Bisping, you can see how well he can circle against a boxing oriented striker. <br><br>On top of that, if Wand had circled alot against Le, those spinning strikes would probably have done him in. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
These are interesting points about straight in/out vs. circling. I still feel like he should've just kept the fight in too close for the kicks.
How is staying close when a guy is going to for a spinning kick too risky when that is the correct defense? You're supposed to close with them and jam them up when their spinning, and when Silva started doing that was when he finished the fight. The problem was that he stayed at range where he was far enough away to be unable to counter but still in range of Le's kicks.
You can circle away from spinning strikes, it's counter intuitive because you circle into their power hand.
Now Silva obviously blocked most of the spin moves and to criticize Le those moves helped gas him out early in the fight. But Silva wasn't doing a great job of controlling the distance.
Flexo - Great back and forth fight, le won the first and wandy definitly got dropped by the spinning backfist. Hardly a domination. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Watching the gif you're right about him being dropped.
Cung set that up nicely. Wand stopped that kick (which seemed half hearted) and went to counter with the big right and got caught flush on the chin with his mouth open by that backfist.
Unfortunately that was about the last thing Cung did of any consequence. Wand recovered and pretty much took over from there.
Ya I thought he might be goin to sleep. Amazing recovery by wandy it definitly showed he still has a chin left in him.
Flexo - Great back and forth fight, le won the first and wandy definitly got dropped by the spinning backfist. Hardly a domination. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
This. Le caught a CHUTE BOXE BEATIN' but wasn't dominated from the get-go to the finish.
Again, dominated was a bit much, but nobody was really talking about the fight other than "good fight", "even fight" and I thought Wanderlei fought a great fight and deserved a little more than that. Especially after being written off by a lot of people.
I think he fought perfectly and the outcome backs that up. Like stated its got to take some time to adjust to Le's style and he mostly stayed away from any real damaging kicks. Le was pulling out every move he could think of though. Exciting fight. Id watch a rematch even though its pointless.
