I think these are some issues I'd like to discuss.
First of all, for men's weight in the UFC, I'd like to see them as this.
125
135
145
155
165
170
185
205
235
265
265+
I'd also like to see fight day weigh ins so that a fighter cannot weigh in more than the weight above the weight of the fight they are in.
Finally, send the WMMA back to Invicta with the exception of title fights or fights for the #1 and #2 challenger spots which can be seen on PPVs.
You can have fights for the #3, 4 & 5 spots on free TV events.
Other than this...the rest should be in invitca.
Discuss.
165 and 170 ? Then jump to 185 ?
Canadians...
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Captain Canuck -I'd also like to see fight day weigh ins so that a fighter cannot weigh in more than the weight above the weight of the fight they are in.
Khabib weighs 155lbs. Just ask the ug.
Also, same day weigh ins wont stop cutting.
Same day weigh ins will probably get someone killed. People are still going to cut, they just won't be fully rehydrated and their brain will suffer the consequences. It sounds good in theory, but would be to their detriment in practice. They've tried to do hydration tests in collegiate wrestling, but even there, people work the system.
I agree that more weight would help. They 15lb gaps are a bit much. Why the 5lb split at 165 to 170? It's a pretty populated weight range. Maybe 165, 175, 185? Then 200, then 220. Then over is heavyweight with no limit. If you can't cut to 220, then you're probably walking 250 or more, and could fight any weight. Splitting the heavyweights might spread the division too thin. Not sure there are enough to support it.
There are higher quality women's fights happening in Invicta over the UFC half the time. Fighting makes you ugly, er, uglier than you were when you had less fights. When the UFC gears it's signings to the young and marketable females, they leave out the experienced killers. It makes women's fights look like shit because it is new fighters next to experienced male fighters. Nobody complains about seeing the women with more fights (Valentina, Johanna, Rosie, Amanda, etc.) in the UFC. Understand that it isn't "women fighters" that are the problem. This deserves a thread all it's own really.
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Connorwinztharematch -165 and 170 ? Then jump to 185 ?
Canadians...
Well, you'll have to bear with me.
I, like every other country in the world pretty much are metric so we have to convert it for the retarded.
But that was actually a typo.
I wouldn't put 165 in there yet I think.
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Connorwinztharematch -Captain Canuck -I'd also like to see fight day weigh ins so that a fighter cannot weigh in more than the weight above the weight of the fight they are in.
Khabib weighs 155lbs. Just ask the ug.
Also, same day weigh ins wont stop cutting.
I agree that it won't stop the weight cutting, but on game day it makes sure people are close in weight.
Imagine losing 20% if you miss the weight and then another 20% if you weigh over the day of.
That helps deal with extreme cuts.
Captain Canuck -Connorwinztharematch -165 and 170 ? Then jump to 185 ?
Canadians...
Well, you'll have to bear with me.
I, like every other country in the world pretty much are metric so we have to convert it for the retarded.
But that was actually a typo.
I wouldn't put 165 in there yet I think.
I love you dougie <3
kaitlinrosie -Same day weigh ins will probably get someone killed. People are still going to cut, they just won't be fully rehydrated and their brain will suffer the consequences. It sounds good in theory, but would be to their detriment in practice. They've tried to do hydration tests in collegiate wrestling, but even there, people work the system.
I agree that more weight would help. They 15lb gaps are a bit much. Why the 5lb split at 165 to 170? It's a pretty populated weight range. Maybe 165, 175, 185? Then 200, then 220. Then over is heavyweight with no limit. If you can't cut to 220, then you're probably walking 250 or more, and could fight any weight. Splitting the heavyweights might spread the division too thin. Not sure there are enough to support it.
There are higher quality women's fights happening in Invicta over the UFC half the time. Fighting makes you ugly, er, uglier than you were when you had less fights. When the UFC gears it's signings to the young and marketable females, they leave out the experienced killers. It makes women's fights look like shit because it is new fighters next to experienced male fighters. Nobody complains about seeing the women with more fights (Valentina, Johanna, Rosie, Amanda, etc.) in the UFC. Understand that it isn't "women fighters" that are the problem. This deserves a thread all it's own really.
I think the issue of saying that people are not properly hydrated so we shouldn't do it is a false flag.
It's been shown to work in the ammy divisions and I think there is no more danger with the next day weigh ins then there is now with people who are willing to cut dangerous weights because they know they can re-hydrate.
I also think with the larger pool in the 205/235/265 from overseas it will make the weights more competitive.
I do think at some point there will need to be more weights between 155 and up. Not sure when that should be though.
However, when you start having them you have to think about people who jump weight all over.
Agreed that Invicta has great fights.
Keep them there until it's for a title or contender status.
Thank for the input.
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Connorwinztharematch -Captain Canuck -Connorwinztharematch -165 and 170 ? Then jump to 185 ?
Canadians...
Well, you'll have to bear with me.
I, like every other country in the world pretty much are metric so we have to convert it for the retarded.
But that was actually a typo.
I wouldn't put 165 in there yet I think.
I love you dougie <3
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Here's a thought, If they are going to start putting new weight between 155 and 265, should they do it all at once or slowly introduce them over a period of time?
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Captain Canuck -kaitlinrosie -Same day weigh ins will probably get someone killed. People are still going to cut, they just won't be fully rehydrated and their brain will suffer the consequences. It sounds good in theory, but would be to their detriment in practice. They've tried to do hydration tests in collegiate wrestling, but even there, people work the system.
I agree that more weight would help. They 15lb gaps are a bit much. Why the 5lb split at 165 to 170? It's a pretty populated weight range. Maybe 165, 175, 185? Then 200, then 220. Then over is heavyweight with no limit. If you can't cut to 220, then you're probably walking 250 or more, and could fight any weight. Splitting the heavyweights might spread the division too thin. Not sure there are enough to support it.
There are higher quality women's fights happening in Invicta over the UFC half the time. Fighting makes you ugly, er, uglier than you were when you had less fights. When the UFC gears it's signings to the young and marketable females, they leave out the experienced killers. It makes women's fights look like shit because it is new fighters next to experienced male fighters. Nobody complains about seeing the women with more fights (Valentina, Johanna, Rosie, Amanda, etc.) in the UFC. Understand that it isn't "women fighters" that are the problem. This deserves a thread all it's own really.
I think the issue of saying that people are not properly hydrated so we shouldn't do it is a false flag.
It's been shown to work in the ammy divisions and I think there is no more danger with the next day weigh ins then there is now with people who are willing to cut dangerous weights because they know they can re-hydrate.
I also think with the larger pool in the 205/235/265 from overseas it will make the weights more competitive.
I do think at some point there will need to be more weights between 155 and up. Not sure when that should be though.
However, when you start having them you have to think about people who jump weight all over.
Agreed that Invicta has great fights.
Keep them there until it's for a title or contender status.
Thank for the input.
I Cut 12lbs of water in ammy for same day fights. Doesnt work.
Connorwinztharematch -Captain Canuck -kaitlinrosie -Same day weigh ins will probably get someone killed. People are still going to cut, they just won't be fully rehydrated and their brain will suffer the consequences. It sounds good in theory, but would be to their detriment in practice. They've tried to do hydration tests in collegiate wrestling, but even there, people work the system.
I agree that more weight would help. They 15lb gaps are a bit much. Why the 5lb split at 165 to 170? It's a pretty populated weight range. Maybe 165, 175, 185? Then 200, then 220. Then over is heavyweight with no limit. If you can't cut to 220, then you're probably walking 250 or more, and could fight any weight. Splitting the heavyweights might spread the division too thin. Not sure there are enough to support it.
There are higher quality women's fights happening in Invicta over the UFC half the time. Fighting makes you ugly, er, uglier than you were when you had less fights. When the UFC gears it's signings to the young and marketable females, they leave out the experienced killers. It makes women's fights look like shit because it is new fighters next to experienced male fighters. Nobody complains about seeing the women with more fights (Valentina, Johanna, Rosie, Amanda, etc.) in the UFC. Understand that it isn't "women fighters" that are the problem. This deserves a thread all it's own really.
I think the issue of saying that people are not properly hydrated so we shouldn't do it is a false flag.
It's been shown to work in the ammy divisions and I think there is no more danger with the next day weigh ins then there is now with people who are willing to cut dangerous weights because they know they can re-hydrate.
I also think with the larger pool in the 205/235/265 from overseas it will make the weights more competitive.
I do think at some point there will need to be more weights between 155 and up. Not sure when that should be though.
However, when you start having them you have to think about people who jump weight all over.
Agreed that Invicta has great fights.
Keep them there until it's for a title or contender status.
Thank for the input.
I Cut 12lbs of water in ammy for same day fights. Doesnt work.
I think it does.
So do a lot of organizations.
Throwing hands up in the air and giving up on these massive weight cuts isn’t the answer either.
The game day weight ins with a limit there makes these fights closer and more competitive.
Captain Canuck -Connorwinztharematch -Captain Canuck -kaitlinrosie -Same day weigh ins will probably get someone killed. People are still going to cut, they just won't be fully rehydrated and their brain will suffer the consequences. It sounds good in theory, but would be to their detriment in practice. They've tried to do hydration tests in collegiate wrestling, but even there, people work the system.
I agree that more weight would help. They 15lb gaps are a bit much. Why the 5lb split at 165 to 170? It's a pretty populated weight range. Maybe 165, 175, 185? Then 200, then 220. Then over is heavyweight with no limit. If you can't cut to 220, then you're probably walking 250 or more, and could fight any weight. Splitting the heavyweights might spread the division too thin. Not sure there are enough to support it.
There are higher quality women's fights happening in Invicta over the UFC half the time. Fighting makes you ugly, er, uglier than you were when you had less fights. When the UFC gears it's signings to the young and marketable females, they leave out the experienced killers. It makes women's fights look like shit because it is new fighters next to experienced male fighters. Nobody complains about seeing the women with more fights (Valentina, Johanna, Rosie, Amanda, etc.) in the UFC. Understand that it isn't "women fighters" that are the problem. This deserves a thread all it's own really.
I think the issue of saying that people are not properly hydrated so we shouldn't do it is a false flag.
It's been shown to work in the ammy divisions and I think there is no more danger with the next day weigh ins then there is now with people who are willing to cut dangerous weights because they know they can re-hydrate.
I also think with the larger pool in the 205/235/265 from overseas it will make the weights more competitive.
I do think at some point there will need to be more weights between 155 and up. Not sure when that should be though.
However, when you start having them you have to think about people who jump weight all over.
Agreed that Invicta has great fights.
Keep them there until it's for a title or contender status.
Thank for the input.
I Cut 12lbs of water in ammy for same day fights. Doesnt work.
I think it does.
So do a lot of organizations.
Throwing hands up in the air and giving up on these massive weight cuts isn’t the answer either.
The game day weight ins with a limit there makes these fights closer and more competitive.
It helps. But guys will still cut. Guys at ammy typically dont cut the way pros do because they re not as experienced, and the stakes arent the same. This skews the data. Guys will still do huge cuts. Ive seen it time and time again.
Its like expecting filthy canucks to not eat their disgusting cheese and gravy fries because they charge an extra 1.50.
Connorwinztharematch -Captain Canuck -Connorwinztharematch -Captain Canuck -kaitlinrosie -Same day weigh ins will probably get someone killed. People are still going to cut, they just won't be fully rehydrated and their brain will suffer the consequences. It sounds good in theory, but would be to their detriment in practice. They've tried to do hydration tests in collegiate wrestling, but even there, people work the system.
I agree that more weight would help. They 15lb gaps are a bit much. Why the 5lb split at 165 to 170? It's a pretty populated weight range. Maybe 165, 175, 185? Then 200, then 220. Then over is heavyweight with no limit. If you can't cut to 220, then you're probably walking 250 or more, and could fight any weight. Splitting the heavyweights might spread the division too thin. Not sure there are enough to support it.
There are higher quality women's fights happening in Invicta over the UFC half the time. Fighting makes you ugly, er, uglier than you were when you had less fights. When the UFC gears it's signings to the young and marketable females, they leave out the experienced killers. It makes women's fights look like shit because it is new fighters next to experienced male fighters. Nobody complains about seeing the women with more fights (Valentina, Johanna, Rosie, Amanda, etc.) in the UFC. Understand that it isn't "women fighters" that are the problem. This deserves a thread all it's own really.
I think the issue of saying that people are not properly hydrated so we shouldn't do it is a false flag.
It's been shown to work in the ammy divisions and I think there is no more danger with the next day weigh ins then there is now with people who are willing to cut dangerous weights because they know they can re-hydrate.
I also think with the larger pool in the 205/235/265 from overseas it will make the weights more competitive.
I do think at some point there will need to be more weights between 155 and up. Not sure when that should be though.
However, when you start having them you have to think about people who jump weight all over.
Agreed that Invicta has great fights.
Keep them there until it's for a title or contender status.
Thank for the input.
I Cut 12lbs of water in ammy for same day fights. Doesnt work.
I think it does.
So do a lot of organizations.
Throwing hands up in the air and giving up on these massive weight cuts isn’t the answer either.
The game day weight ins with a limit there makes these fights closer and more competitive.
It helps. But guys will still cut. Guys at ammy typically dont cut the way pros do because they re not as experienced, and the stakes arent the same. This skews the data. Guys will still do huge cuts. Ive seen it time and time again.
Its like expecting filthy canucks to not eat their disgusting cheese and gravy fries because they charge an extra 1.50.
Guys will always cut weight and there will always be guys trying to get whatever advantage they can get but at some point you have to have something in place to try and stop it, not just say people are going to do it and not do anything about it.
It’s kind of like expecting americans to be eat more healthy when they can just be obese because mobility scooters are widely available.
Vieira’s loss tonight looked like a guy who cut too much weight having gas tank issues imo.
A 7 time Abu Dahbi champ gets subbed by a purple belt.
Captain Canuck -Connorwinztharematch -Captain Canuck -Connorwinztharematch -Captain Canuck -kaitlinrosie -Same day weigh ins will probably get someone killed. People are still going to cut, they just won't be fully rehydrated and their brain will suffer the consequences. It sounds good in theory, but would be to their detriment in practice. They've tried to do hydration tests in collegiate wrestling, but even there, people work the system.
I agree that more weight would help. They 15lb gaps are a bit much. Why the 5lb split at 165 to 170? It's a pretty populated weight range. Maybe 165, 175, 185? Then 200, then 220. Then over is heavyweight with no limit. If you can't cut to 220, then you're probably walking 250 or more, and could fight any weight. Splitting the heavyweights might spread the division too thin. Not sure there are enough to support it.
There are higher quality women's fights happening in Invicta over the UFC half the time. Fighting makes you ugly, er, uglier than you were when you had less fights. When the UFC gears it's signings to the young and marketable females, they leave out the experienced killers. It makes women's fights look like shit because it is new fighters next to experienced male fighters. Nobody complains about seeing the women with more fights (Valentina, Johanna, Rosie, Amanda, etc.) in the UFC. Understand that it isn't "women fighters" that are the problem. This deserves a thread all it's own really.
I think the issue of saying that people are not properly hydrated so we shouldn't do it is a false flag.
It's been shown to work in the ammy divisions and I think there is no more danger with the next day weigh ins then there is now with people who are willing to cut dangerous weights because they know they can re-hydrate.
I also think with the larger pool in the 205/235/265 from overseas it will make the weights more competitive.
I do think at some point there will need to be more weights between 155 and up. Not sure when that should be though.
However, when you start having them you have to think about people who jump weight all over.
Agreed that Invicta has great fights.
Keep them there until it's for a title or contender status.
Thank for the input.
I Cut 12lbs of water in ammy for same day fights. Doesnt work.
I think it does.
So do a lot of organizations.
Throwing hands up in the air and giving up on these massive weight cuts isn’t the answer either.
The game day weight ins with a limit there makes these fights closer and more competitive.
It helps. But guys will still cut. Guys at ammy typically dont cut the way pros do because they re not as experienced, and the stakes arent the same. This skews the data. Guys will still do huge cuts. Ive seen it time and time again.
Its like expecting filthy canucks to not eat their disgusting cheese and gravy fries because they charge an extra 1.50.
Guys will always cut weight and there will always be guys trying to get whatever advantage they can get but at some point you have to have something in place to try and stop it, not just say people are going to do it and not do anything about it.
It’s kind of like expecting americans to be eat more healthy when they can just be obese because mobility scooters are widely available.
Most americans cant afford mobility scooters.