20lbs of muscle is more advanteous than better cardio imo
cutting weight is part of the sport. There's nothing wrong with it. If you don't want to cut the weight, then dont. If you can & do, then more power to ya.
same day weigh-ins would be a godsend...
If deaths and illness occur from guys not having enough time to rehydrate by having same day weigh ins than maybe guys wouldn't do it if they knew they would not be able to get the water back in.
"I can almost garentee that any fighter who trains hard and is not forced to cut weight will be able to go all out for at least 15 minutes, which is what we all want."
So why aren't HW fights fast-paced start to finish? Why does Crocop always gas? He obviously trains hard, doesn't cut weight, and isn't too big.
People are exagerating the effect of weight cutting on cardio. If the weight is cut poorly, then yes it can hurt the fighter, but when done properly (as most of top fighters do), it can be done while still staying in top shape. Look at Franklin and Tito, there cardio is incredible (except for maybe Tito's last fight).
In fact I've seen numerous time where the smaller fighter who didnt' cut weigt gets tired faster from having to compete with the larger man.
....and anyway, at the end of the day, this is all pointless because weight cutting will always be there. Changing the weigh ins to the same day will not change anything, fighters will still try to cut weight regardless, and same day weigh ins would ofcourse be very dangerous.
I agree with Tyson and MTG.
ttt for same day weigh ins. Current rules pretty much force everyone to cut weight - it's unhealthy, and has nothing to do with fighting ability. Seriously, is there a single reason to do weigh ins a day before?
-CF
you don't hear the fighters complaining about it.
never heard a promoter complain.
just the whiny bitches who don't fight/train.
flmz makes a bunch of bad arguments, but doesn't even try to explain how he feels that weight cutting hurts the UFC. (well, some insane comment about him knowing something about profitability).
Maybe the billionare owners, and the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and these other amateurs should listen to the sophomoric opinions of an inexperienced TUF fan?
No. Maybe not.
The weights the day before show that at least at some point the fighters were at even weight. Usually guys cut the same amount of weight.
Even if you had fighters weigh in the day of they would still cut some weight to get ANY advantage.
"There are many reasons why weight cutting is bad for the sport."
Name one (and not your moronic opinion that it is tantamount to steroid use).
"Forgetting the health reasons..."
So cutting weight is more dangerous than, say, getting punched in the face by a professional fighter? You are an idiot.
"...I will never like it because it gives one fighter a size and strength advantage over the other."
No it doesn't. Not if they are both cutting weight. Damn you are dumb.
"I can never respect a fighter who is only willing to fight fighters smaller than him, which is really what cutting boils down to."
A lot of people are going to cry themselves to sleep tonight knowing that you don't respect them. Or maybe they are going to cry because they feel bad for you, given how stupid the second part of your sentence is. Cutting weight boils down to not giving your opponent the edge, NOT what you said.
"Cutting weight gives such a huge advantage that every fighter is forced to do it now, which makes doing it to gain an advantage essentially pointless."
Finally, something smart (or at least obvious and correct).
"We now have fighters weighing anywhere from 185 to 200 at fight time fighting welterweight. It lowers the legitimacy of weight classes substantially."
How? You state your misguided opinion as a fact.
"Cutting weight takes a lot of energy out of fighters, which leads to boring fights."
Yeah, Joe Riggs is boring. Matth Hughes is boring. And Franklin, and Griffin.. You are either an MMA-tard or a troll.
"So what is the solution to this?"
How about you die?
The only way you could prevent this is the same way you prevent steroid usage:
Random checkups on the fighters where they have to weigh in and have to pee into a cup.
So long as the fighter stays within a certain boundary of the weight class, they can fight in it.
That being said, it's a stupid fucking idea.
Thank you MTG.
you guys that bring this up kill me, yall really do.
This is a sport, and as with any sport, any advantage possible is a must. EVERYBODY cuts weight, not just 1 or two fighters in each class so they are outmatching other fighters.
two guys weigh in at 185, both of them are gunna be 200 or over by fight time.
it aint gunna change, so stop complaining
Finally these lasts few posts have some sense.
AlwaysInjured... good post.
^^Thanks.
I dislike the dieting competitions. Let them weigh in before the fight, and just fight their weights.
Weight cutting often unfairly affects UFC newcomers in their debut. Many UFC prospects will fight closer to their natural weight on smaller shows due to their talent advantage.
After tearing it up as a 175 pounder fighting on the regional circuit, they are invited to the UFC to fight at 170 pounds. His UFC-veteral opponent will weigh in at 190+. The new guy will not be able to radically adjust his body structure in such a short peiod so that he also can cut 15+ pounds.
Such an occurrence has led to a number of mismatches and people who were regional phenoms being unfairly deemed cans.
Some day this will happen--already has in amateur wrestling as well as bodybuilding.
People will dehydrate to make weight. Die. And there will be an outcry by the opponents of the sport. Unlike bodybuilding, which nobody cares about, and amateur wrestling, which has no political opponents, this will be a serious blow to the sport.
You can whistle in the dark and increase the risk of problems later on, or you can work to prevent it ahead of time.
I coach high school wrestlers and there are now very strict regulations regarding weight cutting. The reason is because people have already died. Better to implement what already works here. We do have weight cutting of 5-7 pounds. Most do it. It's a minor pain but there is no major health issue involved. We don't have to guys weighing 200 pounds on the mat fighting at 170. That's where you have problems. We also have same day weigh-ins. For all those saying that doesn't work, we do it in every meet and it seems to work fine. And our guys always make weight.