I've seen this technique before, but I don't think I've ever heard anybody refer to it with a proper name.
Also, I thought this would be an illegal technique since you're grabbing a leg, but maybe the fact that you start out with the sleeve first makes it okay?
Anyway, awesome technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xscnjKgXxb4
Ah shit, WFA! But thanks for the embed, Frobenius.
Mods, please move to Judo/Sambo training forum...
Awesome, thanks a lot!
It's a modified Sode Tsuri Komi Goshi that was popularized by Koga(Japan) and Smadja(Israel)during the 90's.
Thanks, Dynamo.
I agree with Dynamo. Definetly he started with sode but to say the leg grab was a followup tecknique has me wondering. And that throw almost landed on his head/neck, very dangerous. Sidebar- Iliadis since he moved down to 81k from 90K has rejuvinated his career. He is so strong and hard to throw. Likes to bring you in close with his high collar grip. Nishiyama is in top three in the world at 81K and most guys would of went down with his initial attack.
I asked this question about a year ago and the refs on this board said it is still legal.
So, as a follow up, is the ko-uchi where you tap the knee still legal also?
If you mean tapping the knee to get them to more the foot backwards or to get some reaction for a follow up throw was never illegal.
no, more like a ko-uchi gake then your sleeve hand drops down and cups the back of your opponents knee and you kind of blow through them. I know that is a terrible description. When I grab their knee, I am actually trying to reach my leg to completely entrap their leg so they cannot turn out of it.
judoblackbelt - I agree with Dynamo. Definetly he started with sode but to say the leg grab was a followup tecknique has me wondering. And that throw almost landed on his head/neck, very dangerous. Sidebar- Iliadis since he moved down to 81k from 90K has rejuvinated his career. He is so strong and hard to throw. Likes to bring you in close with his high collar grip. Nishiyama is in top three in the world at 81K and most guys would of went down with his initial attack.
I agree. I never used to watch a lot of judo before, but now I think I almost prefer it to watching MMA.
So as I was going through all the major 2011 tournaments, I came across this clip of Iliadis in Baku getting a dose of his own medicine (at 90kg).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xDxZVTESeU
Iliadis is one of my favorites, but damn, Mammadov took him out. The look on Iliadis' face right around 3:13 says it all.
The clip shows the difference between fighting at 81K vs 90K. Much more physical. I see guys try and more up from 81k to 90K and there is no way they can match the physical play at 90K. Pound for pound 81k is the toughest brkt.
To thePestrer- I now understand your question. I asked my sensei when the rule came out and he said questionable. I see guys now in competition grab/trap the leg by reaching around after a drop ippon seionage attempt or cup the leg (your question)in the front and help flip the opponent over after a ippon seionage attempt. Iwould say legal as long as the first attempt is "clear".
Thanks for the response JBB!
I remember having a sensei trying to teach me this move. It's very very similar to a greco throw...I would almost say that someone saw it in training, and figured a way to make it work in Judo
I had a very hard time getting it
What you saw Iliadis throw with and what thePester is talking about are done at higher levels of judo. Morote seionage is the common seionage throw without grabbing the leg. But I have seen it done once in a while when the seionage attempt failed, reach back and grab the leg. But not for the members on this forum. THe risk of head/neck injury by Iliadis is not for us. National/internatioinal level of player only does this. Learn for the loser Nishiama, he has great judo.
i dont know what you are talking about... Iliadis isnt an 81kg. he is a 90kg. he is #1 in the world at 90kgs. he won moscow at 90kg, not 81kg. check the world ranking list. he is a beast of a 90kg at that. trust me, he cuts to make 90s.
sode has been around in Judo since day 1... i mean, day 1 back in Kano's time. the modern competitive version came about in the later 80's and early 90's via Koga and Smadja-- as Dynamo said above.
I started doing a version of this this throw back in 1997. then you could break your own neck if you wanted. now you cannot go straight over your forehead, you need to have an angle-- however slight. the leg grab is fine because the sode was started before the grab happened, again, however slight.
I stand corrected on the weight category, in the video it says 90K. Everything else I said about Iliadis is correcct though. It looks the the new rule implies as long as your initial attack is not the leg it is ok. We learned a version of his throw where you let "uke" roll of your back and you remain standing and bent over instead of you doing a sommersault with him on your back.
Thanks for the post, Josh.