What if fighters lifted like a bodybuilder

Typical bodybuilder's routine is next to useless for MMA fighter these days.

Even if you consider a typical amateurish type of BB workout.
It is shite, cuz it's designed to make you look good in the first place.
That kind of routine is very static in nature, takes a lot of time, and you're developing something that is completely unnecessary for a fighter, like very nice bicep.
You'd spend a lot of energy training large muscle groups and smaller (which is completely useless).

A fight is rather dynamic/isometric type of thing, so you need to do plyo, you need endurance, strenght and isometric excersice, also lots of flexibility.

BB training gives you only strenght and not quite what you'd want being in a fight.
That's why MMa fighters train very very differently.

I mean look at Mariusz Pudzianowski - he was a strongman (so his training was much more strenght oriented, much more explosive, much closer to what you really need) and he still looked kinda weak in the actual fight compared to some monsters we have in mma.
Sure he would outdeadlift'em all, but in the actual fight he was much weaker.

You have to train for what you will be doing, and bb training isn't it.

DanChow - 
genshi - Alot of fighters do 'lift' like body builders......they just don't eat or inject as body builders would.



Can you imagine them trying to roll and grapple.



Get a good mental imagine of that.



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No they don't, having fought and lifted, fighters lift to help their fighting, bodybuilders lift to promote their muscle growth BIG DIFFERENCE.

I know this

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The fighter you speak of...












































...is PHIL BARONI

well... when are you ever going to curl someone in a fight?

mike_rizzo -
robbie380 -  they would probably gas out and have more joint injuries.

i think the diaz style of training is probably the best for longevity and cardio.

what is the diaz brothers style of training. i mean obviously a lot of swimming runnin and cycling but any kettle bells or
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Thanks to you guys who gave a logical response without going apeshit.

I guess I probably didn't make myself clear. I don't mean what if a bodybuilder trained to fight or what if someone who's goal is to be a bodybuilder ...


What I meant is what if someone had a good mma type diet, did mma type cardio and lived a mma type lifestyle. But instead of todays s&c programs that you simply lifted like chest&tris, back, legs and bis...but with lighter weights and higher reps.

Now say you do that...remember a body part split routine for muscular endurance the 12-15 rep range.) Not 250lb bodybuilder style, but 180 lb bodybuilder syle.

Now instead of the hop skotch, kettle bells and giant rope wobble...you do just fighting drills, this wouldn't be just as good if not better because your getting the best of both worlds?

Hope this makes sense before all the 12ers start 12ing on me.

ohh and before some of you go bananas on me...I want to make it clear that I am not a bodybuilder cheeseball. this is just me wondering

 Joel Jamison really has the right idea for periodization for mma fighters...  check his stuff out, because his book answers your questions and really in my opinion presents the best methodology for mma guys

Fighters with really thick, dense muscle have terrible striking power on average. Look at Palhares. He's never had a true (t)ko in his career. Pudzilla doesn't in 7 fights either, just submissions via punches and a Bob Sapp tank. They can't get any flection to create speed on their shots. Their muscles are too cumbersome.

Then there is the issue of not being quick and fluid to avoid attacks.

Also, it doesn't matter how much cardio you do, big muscles require a lot of oxygen to be fed so you'll gas out quicker than normal. And gas tank of course is a huge issue in fights. How many times do we see the fighter with far inferior ability win matches in MMA? Danny Downes vs. Tie Quan Zhang is a perfect example. Tie Quan Zhang is nothing special, but much better than Downes, and to wit was ragdolling him the first half of their fight, but gassed and had nothing to offer for the last half. That kind of shit would happen all the time to a bodybuilder in MMA.

So I am gettin the point that that style of lifting is general bad for fighting. Perhaps to much round fluffy muscles = lactose acid buildup= pudz turning purple and practically dying for air. I get it. See, thats really all I was wanting to know

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that some bodybuilding-style training could be productive. In theory, it would help to build up the muscle tissue, while explosive-style training movements would train the nervous system how to use it. A lot of Olympic lifters do some traditional bodybuilding exercises.

UGCTT_UncleCreepy - well... when are you ever going to curl someone in a fight?

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you get one or the other, you don't get to choose both.

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Dogmeat 1 - I'm going to take a guess that most people here actually have no idea how bodybuilders or professional athletes train. Actually the routines used by of strength athletes (american football, rugby, MMA, wrestlier, etc) aren't actually too different from those used by bodybuilders. The main difference is the volume; athletes are lifting for overall strength and need to spend more of their time doing sport specific training where as bodybuilders are purely focused on building size/balancing our their body. However the training itself can be quite similar are a lot of current and past MMA stars who basically train that way. That doesn't mean they cover themselves in oil and prance around in man-panties but few people doing bodybuilding actually do that either.

The stereotype that people have of bodybuilders comes from the fact that after a certain point getting bigger becomes as much a disadvantage as it is an advantage. The way human's bodies develop just makes weights approaching 300lbs and heights over 6'6" less than ideal. All super-heavy weight sized athletes tend to struggle in general athletic pursuits and it's not just something that is limited to someone dedicated to bodybuilding. However in general bodybuilders are very athletic, especially the ones who aren't solely focused on pure size.

If the question was should an MMA train using the volume and intensity as bodybuilder then the answer would be an emphatic no. That would be idiotic and would mean they would have to sacrifice a lot of their other training for little net benefit. However if the question was would it be beneficial for a fighter looking to improve their overall strength to incorporate some bodybuilding training into their workouts then the answer is probably yes. Most fighters already do. There is a strong argument that powerlifting style training is more efficient but I do like the bodybuilder ideal of creating balanced strength rather than specialising in a few areas.

If the question was should an MMA train using the volume and intensity as bodybuilder then the answer would be an emphatic no. That would be idiotic and would mean they would have to sacrifice a lot of their other training for little net benefit. However if the question was would it be beneficial for a fighter looking to improve their overall strength to incorporate some bodybuilding training into their workouts then the answer is probably yes. Most fighters already do. There is a strong argument that powerlifting style training is more efficient but I do like the bodybuilder ideal of creating balanced strength rather than specialising in a few areas.


This is what i'm talking about! And I believe it is a good way to train strength and a time saver, so you can train more fighting technique and endurance.

nightkap - Cmon guys, he just asked a question he hoped to get an educated response to...
Instead, he gets a few jackoffs acting like 5yr olds!
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easy spiderhulk..lol

SPIDERHLUK -
cheesesteak - Thanks to you guys who gave a logical response without going apeshit.

I guess I probably didn't make myself clear. I don't mean what if a bodybuilder trained to fight or what if someone who's goal is to be a bodybuilder ...


What I meant is what if someone had a good mma type diet, did mma type cardio and lived a mma type lifestyle. But instead of todays s&c programs that you simply lifted like chest&tris, back, legs and bis...but with lighter weights and higher reps.

Now say you do that...remember a body part split routine for muscular endurance the 12-15 rep range.) Not 250lb bodybuilder style, but 180 lb bodybuilder syle.

Now instead of the hop skotch, kettle bells and giant rope wobble...you do just fighting drills, this wouldn't be just as good if not better because your getting the best of both worlds?

Hope this makes sense before all the 12ers start 12ing on me.

you're just stupid. i was nice to you and explained everything, other people have explained this to you a bunch, and you just won't listen. i'll type this in caps so you can get it through your thick, tard skull.


KETTLEBELLS BUILD STRENGTH GOOD FOR FIGHTING/RESISTING ANOTHER HUMAN BEINGS BODY. WEIGHT LIFTING BUILDS STRENGTH GOOD FOR LIFTING THINGS UP. IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS "STRENGTH IS STRENGTH." YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON, AND THIS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED BY AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE WHO TALKED TO YOU NICELY AND YOU JUST DIDN'T READ THEIR SHIT OR RESPOND.

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