What if Lyoto had ....

 about a minute at the end of round one left with Tito trapped in a crucifix instead of a few seconds ? And I am presuming that he would have stopped Tito.  Would the banter around here about him being "boring" and such be such a tirade, or would he be receiving the respect and accolades that he deserves ?

What if he did not run the entire fight with the exception of about 30 seconds?

I dont know that I want him to be the champ with that "take not chances" style.

CRE - What if he had shot for that takedown before the boos motivated him to?


What if he actually tried to finish fights from beginning of the fight until the end?


What if he was exciting?


What if my shit didn't stink?


What if your shit didn't stink...

I still wouldn't like your opinions.

I don't think he would of finished Tito, but why would does it matter Machida still won, what if Tito didn't go for the armbar and stayed with the triangle we could have a different winner.

phillie - I don't think he would of finished Tito, but why would does it matter Machida still won, what if Tito didn't go for the armbar and stayed with the triangle we could have a different winner.

 


Watch the fight again.  Tito only went for the armbar because there was no way he was finishing the triangle.  Watch Machida slip his shoulder out so that Tito couldn't get his legs locked down completely before going into the roll.  He definitely was not finishing that triangle.

 

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phillie - I don't think he would of finished Tito, but why would does it matter Machida still won, what if Tito didn't go for the armbar and stayed with the triangle we could have a different winner.


 

Watch the fight again.  Tito only went for the armbar because there was no way he was finishing the triangle.  Watch Machida slip his shoulder out so that Tito couldn't get his legs locked down completely before going into the roll.  He definitely was not finishing that triangle.


 


I'll watch it again, but Tito said he could of, but I remember Machida's shoulder being a little out too I'll have to watch it though.

I'd actually say that he went for that with very little time left intentionally and that I doubt he'd have tried it with more time left. Ken Shamrock used to do that, too. He'd go for risky submissions with like 20 seconds left because it left an impression, but really had no chance of succeeding or failing. It's just a way to try and make a quick impression on the judges.

Domingo - I'd actually say that he went for that with very little time left intentionally and that I doubt he'd have tried it with more time left. Ken Shamrock used to do that, too. He'd go for risky submissions with like 20 seconds left because it left an impression, but really had no chance of succeeding or failing. It's just a way to try and make a quick impression on the judges.


I agree. I think he was testing the waters, much the way Kos did against Diego in their rematch. Or he was just trying to put an exclamation point to the end of the round.

Domingo - I'd actually say that he went for that with very little time left intentionally and that I doubt he'd have tried it with more time left. Ken Shamrock used to do that, too. He'd go for risky submissions with like 20 seconds left because it left an impression, but really had no chance of succeeding or failing. It's just a way to try and make a quick impression on the judges.


Do you think he went for it because that was his first opportunity to really do anything to Machida in the fight? If Tito would had the triangle locked in and stuck with it he could of possibly choked Machida out, I think there was enough time left, but that was his only opportunity.

gorillagrappling - What if he did not run the entire fight with the exception of about 30 seconds?



 Tito had plenty of chances to rush Machida and clinch at the cage. After Tito was thrown around by Machida a couple of times and lost all of the striking exchanges and had his shot stuffed, Tito didn't do shit.

^^^Sparky, you must have been blinded y the nuts. Tito was the only guy actually trying to fight. Macheetah was running. Is it really that hard to see that he was just being a good little karate boy and avoiding confrontation?

So, what you're saying is Tito needed more time...Hmmmmmm

gorillagrappling - ^^^Sparky, you must have been blinded y the nuts. Tito was the only guy actually trying to fight. Macheetah was running. Is it really that hard to see that he was just being a good little karate boy and avoiding confrontation?



 I guess that's why Tito's face looked like it did after the fight? Probably why he's either pissing blood or nursing a cracked rib from the knee as well?


Tito moved forward, but did nothing else.

HAHA. I just watched the first two rounds again. Lynothrow only threw 15 punches in the two rounds and only 4 in the first. he landed absolutely nothing of consequence until the elbow on the ground after the takedown with about 4 seconds to go. It was pretty lame. Off to watch the third round.

Not smack, just kind of like compustrike you know. LOL.

"Do you think he went for it because that was his first opportunity to really do anything to Machida in the fight? If Tito would had the triangle locked in and stuck with it he could of possibly choked Machida out, I think there was enough time left, but that was his only opportunity."


Nah, I was referring to Machida's takedown at the end of round 1. The fact that he ended up in side pin and even got a crucifix was just an added bonus. He didn't necessarily intend for that to happen, he just wanted to win the round and that would look REALLY good if he could take Tito down.


For Tito's submission attempt in round 3, he knew he had to go for broke. He knew that he clearly lost the first 2 rounds and therefore would have to finish Machida. He had plenty of time to finish the triangle/armbar...Machida just escaped it. It wasn't just an attempt to win the round, but a legit attempt at ending the fight.

 Lyoto was about three backpedal steps away from being the Kalib Starnes of the UFC 84



"HAHA. I just watched the first two rounds again. Lynothrow only threw 15 punches in the two rounds and only 4 in the first. he landed absolutely nothing of consequence until the elbow on the ground after the takedown with about 4 seconds to go. It was pretty lame. Off to watch the third round."

You conveniently left out his best strike of the first 2 rounds, a very solid knee and an omen of things to come in the 3rd round.

Also you didn't mention his kicks at all. That was a great fight and one of Lyoto's best. I know, a lot of morons found it boring though.

Tito is just as at fault for those first 2 rounds. Lyoto was the only one who got a takedown the whole fight. Tito could have went for a clinch to take him down from there.