How does it differ from freestyle wrestling and jiujitsu?
What are some common (if any) techniques they use off their back?
I think its like bjj but with more wrestling/takedowns and more aggressive as far as going for the sub. That's what I was kinda told but it could be wrong
A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
Kirik -A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
But traditional wresting has zero submissions
So there has to be more to it than that, no?
The Closed Guard -Kirik -A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
But traditional wresting has zero submissions
So there has to be more to it than that, no?
basically it’s old school pro wrestling, like 1900 to 1970 style when it had to look real all the shooters were catch wrestler’s trying to “catch” a submission.
listen to this interview with Billy Robinson he’ll give you a lesson in it.
Billy Robinson died in his sleep on March 3, and the combat sports world lost its last living link to an era of catch-as-catch-can submission wrestling competitions that packed rugby stadiums in England in the first half of the 20th century. The hard-charging yet slick grappling style shaped the games of formative Japanese legends like Kazushi Sakuraba and Kiyoshi Tamura, who learned at the hands of Robinson, and a host of famous tough-guy pro-wrestlers. Robinson, who died at 76, was regarded with awe by the small cadre of fighters he trained in an unheralded gym in Arkansas, and he was held in the highest esteem by Josh Barnett, Erik Paulson and so many others.
Trained in the famed “Snake Pit” gym run by catch master Billy Riley in the grim coal mining town of Wigan, England, Robinson brought a decidedly against-the-grain perspective to mixed martial arts and its long enchantment with jiu-jitsu, a style at which Robinson scoffed, in no small part because it renamed what he had known as a simple double wrist lock after judoka Masahiko Kimura used it to defeat Helio Gracie in 1951.
“Listen, before television … Kimura came to Wigan and got beat – easily,” Robinson told the Sherdog Radio Network “Rewind” show in a July 2012 interview. “Not beat by anybody special, just got beat – easily.”
The Closed Guard -How does it differ from freestyle wrestling and jiujitsu?
What are some common (if any) techniques they use off their back?
also they don’t use techniques off their backs because in wrestling you lose if you’re on your back.
it’s all agressive.
The Closed Guard -Kirik -A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
But traditional wresting has zero submissions
So there has to be more to it than that, no?
American folk and free wrestling comes from Catchwrestling.
Very similar to Judo and Jujitsu, when Kano create Judo he took out all of the more dangerous techniques, for he wanted it to be introduced in the schools to the very young.
When wrestling was introduced to the Olympics and high schools, they took out the submissions.
Lot more to it, but just use google.
I can’t believe it’s 2018 and someone on a MMA forum has no idea what catchwrestling is.
nowaydo -The Closed Guard -Kirik -A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
But traditional wresting has zero submissions
So there has to be more to it than that, no?
American folk and free wrestling comes from Catchwrestling.
Very similar to Judo and Jujitsu, when Kano create Judo he took out all of the more dangerous techniques, for he wanted it to be introduced in the schools to the very young.
When wrestling was introduced to the Olympics and high schools, they took out the submissions.
Lot more to it, but just use google.
I can’t believe it’s 2018 and someone on a MMA forum has no idea what catchwrestling is.
No need to be rude. I prefer an honest question over a troll or fanboy…
nowaydo -The Closed Guard -Kirik -A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
But traditional wresting has zero submissions
So there has to be more to it than that, no?
American folk and free wrestling comes from Catchwrestling.
Very similar to Judo and Jujitsu, when Kano create Judo he took out all of the more dangerous techniques, for he wanted it to be introduced in the schools to the very young.
When wrestling was introduced to the Olympics and high schools, they took out the submissions.
Lot more to it, but just use google.
I can’t believe it’s 2018 and someone on a MMA forum has no idea what catchwrestling is.
Catch Wrestling is sort of dead man. Who’s left? Barnett? I just didnt understand if it was jiujitsu with heavy wrestling or what.
sorry Im trying to figure it out
Joe Stecher worked off his back, he could catch a leg scissor from anywhere.
Lou Thesz could too.
Working from your back doesn't mean working flat on your back.
The Closed Guard -nowaydo -The Closed Guard -Kirik -A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
But traditional wresting has zero submissions
So there has to be more to it than that, no?
American folk and free wrestling comes from Catchwrestling.
Very similar to Judo and Jujitsu, when Kano create Judo he took out all of the more dangerous techniques, for he wanted it to be introduced in the schools to the very young.
When wrestling was introduced to the Olympics and high schools, they took out the submissions.
Lot more to it, but just use google.
I can’t believe it’s 2018 and someone on a MMA forum has no idea what catchwrestling is.
Catch Wrestling is sort of dead man. Who’s left? Barnett? I just didnt understand if it was jiujitsu with heavy wrestling or what.
sorry Im trying to figure it out
No it’s not. It’s actually getting more respect and popularity it has since early in the 20th century.
Thanks to Jake Shannon.
I’m not going to get into to it. I respect your will to know, but just google catchwrestling or go to facebook and type in catchwrestling.
Dugs95 -nowaydo -The Closed Guard -Kirik -A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
But traditional wresting has zero submissions
So there has to be more to it than that, no?
American folk and free wrestling comes from Catchwrestling.
Very similar to Judo and Jujitsu, when Kano create Judo he took out all of the more dangerous techniques, for he wanted it to be introduced in the schools to the very young.
When wrestling was introduced to the Olympics and high schools, they took out the submissions.
Lot more to it, but just use google.
I can’t believe it’s 2018 and someone on a MMA forum has no idea what catchwrestling is.
No need to be rude. I prefer an honest question over a troll or fanboy…
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But the energy it takes to begin this thread, where you may receive bias, fanboy or hate or uninformed replies, could be used to good “catchwrestling” and get a wider scope of info to make his own decision of what it is.
I apologize for coming off rude, but I’ve been on this forum a long time and in the early days there was a lot of discussion and debate about catchwrestling. I just thought the mystery was over and the newer guys were more informed.
The Closed Guard -Kirik -A guy at Iowa did his doctorate on the evolution of folkstyle wrestling rules. Catch wrestling is wrestling. The rules have constrained it to an extent, but not changed it. Catch wrestling isn't something you can learn in a seminar and have magical submission abilities. It's wrestling. If you wrestle for whatever, five years, you can learn Catch Wrestlng readily. If you learn a bunch of moves and don't wrestle, you have your jimmy in your hand. Focus on wrestling.
But traditional wresting has zero submissions
So there has to be more to it than that, no?
That's where the "catch " comes from. "Catch as can catch" wrestling
As I understand it , pro wrestling was legit NHB catch matches until they started working matches and adding theatrics.
i am solrac9 -As I understand it , pro wrestling was legit NHB catch matches until they started working matches and adding theatrics.
No it wasn’t NHB. That had rules. No striking. You could win by pinfall or submission. Sometimes, chokes were allowed and sometimes not.
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damn, those videos are awesome.