What Muscle is this?

Yes, it started all of a sudden, though I dont't know what the exact point or cause was.

Injury history...I had a dual lamenectomy at c5 and c6 about 8 years ago. But the technician at my recent MRI, says the lamenectomy was done very well and is holding up great, with no sign of arthritis.

I do alot of sitting at work with both my hands in front of me (soldering iron). I do BJJ anywhere from 2-5 days a week, and lift twice a week.

Funny you should say something about the hip and legs. I had recently started seeing a physical therapist for some low back pain that also was causing pain/sensitivity in my lower legs/feet, and he remarked that my left leg was a bit longer than the right, and that this can tilt your pelvis and may have an effect. He advised trying a small lift in the heel of my right shoe, which I did (about a quarter inch).

As far as ROM, yeah, if I take my left arm, I can easily carry my right arm through all ranges quite easily and pain free. It's just that the arm has no control or ability to fire certain muscles to get it to do it on it's own. That's why I mentioned I cannot even begin to rebuild it.

Yeah, the adaptions are already causing problem, spasms, and pain.

I do know a chiropractor that I'm going to have do general muscle massage, and adjustments in that area until the doc returns (though he's not a kinesiologist).

Another good description of what's happening is (besides the lack of external rotation)...if you hold your arm straight out in front of you, 45* from pointing at the ceiling, palm down...as you rotate your palm up (while keeping your elbow close to your centerline as possible) my arm begins to drop until my elbow is touching my chest by the time the palm is facing up, and there's nothing i can do to stop it from dropping.

Thanks for the advice!

Moke -

Some key information in what you just said:

Yes, it started all of a sudden, though I dont't know what the exact point or cause was.

This means you had an injury at a specific point in time just prior to the loss of strength/ROM.  You may not have noticed it, but it happened.  This could have been a fall you took in practice, an unusual position, or something else.  Your treatment should include a search for the point of origin, as the source of the problem may not be in your shoulder.

Injury history...I had a dual lamenectomy at c5 and c6 about 8 years ago. But the technician at my recent MRI, says the lamenectomy was done very well and is holding up great, with no sign of arthritis.

I do alot of sitting at work with both my hands in front of me (soldering iron). I do BJJ anywhere from 2-5 days a week, and lift twice a week.

The lamenectomy probably has nothing to do with it, but it's great that they checked it.  Your work probably hasn't caused it, though your posture and the position of your arms can result in excess stored tension that may not be helping you now. 

Funny you should say something about the hip and legs. I had recently started seeing a physical therapist for some low back pain that also was causing pain/sensitivity in my lower legs/feet, and he remarked that my left leg was a bit longer than the right, and that this can tilt your pelvis and may have an effect. He advised trying a small lift in the heel of my right shoe, which I did (about a quarter inch).

Did you start wearing the heel lift before or after the shoulder problems started? 

I once had a doc tell me my left leg was an inch shorter than my right.  Weird, 'cause my problems came on suddenly, not gradually.  (sound familiar?) A second opinion from an Applied Kinesiology guy told me that excess tension in my left hip was shortening that leg in some positions but not in others.  The original source of the problem was in my right thigh, which caused everything else to tighten in weird ways and also gave me low back pain.  He took away my heel lift and proposed other treatment methods.

A combination of AK treatments, some basic multi-minerals, and massage eliminated the short leg, back pain, and helped heal the original problem.  It's quite possible that your own situation may be similar in nature and require a similar treatment.

The thing that sucks about wearing a heel lift if your leg isn't really shorter than the other is that it will reinforce the problems you have and exaggerate them.  This may be why you are getting worse.  However, I'm not your doc, so get another professional opinion instead of blindly staying the course.

As far as ROM, yeah, if I take my left arm, I can easily carry my right arm through all ranges quite easily and pain free. It's just that the arm has no control or ability to fire certain muscles to get it to do it on it's own. That's why I mentioned I cannot even begin to rebuild it.

That's why I think it's a nerve impingement rather than a rotator cuff issue.  The question is: where's the dysfunction coming from?  It doesn't sound like anyone has answered that question yet.

Yeah, the adaptions are already causing problem, spasms, and pain.

I do know a chiropractor that I'm going to have do general muscle massage, and adjustments in that area until the doc returns (though he's not a kinesiologist).

That's a good start.  A good chiropractor doesn't have to be an AK person to know what they're doing, but it's a consideration.  From what you've described so far, I doubt this will require invasive procedures to treat.

Another good description of what's happening is (besides the lack of external rotation)...if you hold your arm straight out in front of you, 45* from pointing at the ceiling, palm down...as you rotate your palm up (while keeping your elbow close to your centerline as possible) my arm begins to drop until my elbow is touching my chest by the time the palm is facing up, and there's nothing i can do to stop it from dropping.

Thanks for the advice!

That's a great description of your symptoms.  I get a good sense of what's happening in that movement.  Your issue is less muscular and more neurological.  Your docs need to find the source and address the problem there.  I doubt the source is in your shoulder... most likely in your back or hips, and probably related to the "short leg".  Fix one and you'll probably fix both. 

Work with your chiro and get a second opinion on the heel lift.  I get bad vibes on that, but I'm no psychic.

Good luck! 

 

Wow, I tell you what...it happened after a few months of the heel lift thing. Then, a week or two into the shoulder paralysis, the same thought hit me too. So I took the lift out for a few days, and I felt all these adjustments in reverse of when I put it in. I got nervous and didn't want to exaserbate anything, so I put it back in.

The thing is, the adjustments the lift made felt good (for my low back). It doesn't mean it WAS good, but it seemed good. Besides, like you said, it may not actually be shorter than the other one anyway.

I think it's time I took it out and see what happens. There's nothing else going on until the doc gets back anyway except for some chiro adjustments. I will ask the chiro's opinion about it in the meantime too.

Yeah, your situation sounds very familiar indeed. It's definately time to lose the lift and see what the deal is. I also do my deads and squats with it, so whatever adjusting is going on, it's being set in deep.

Thanks again, and I'll keep you updated.

Sounds like a plan!

My guess is that your back issues may start coming back, but with a chiro watching and working on you, that can be addressed as you go along.  If your leg really is structurally shorter than the other, the chiro can verify it.  If it's a matter of muscle tension, they can check that too.  My chiro found that my "short leg" was shorter when straight and the same length as the other when bent. 

If your legs really are the same length, then you'll have to undo a lot of adaptation.  This won't be a quick fix.  Fortunately, you'll be on the path to a permanent fix.  It would also mean that the original problem is still somewhere in there, and eventually you'll need to address that, too. 

When you take the heel lift out and start lifting, drop your weights and lift lighter for a month or two while your body adapts to going without it.  If you don't, you'll be primed for a nasty injury.

Of course, listen to the health professionals taking care of you and let them know what changes you intend to implement before doing so.

Good luck!

Small update: I took the lift out, but within two days, hot, broad, heavy pain returned to my low back, and my lower legs resumed their previous pain and oversensation as well.

At that point I realised that the PT, which mostly consisted of heating pad, light massage, and ultrasound, wasn't what was giving me relief, it was simply the lift.

So I put it back in, and within a day, the symptoms subsided. But I did this without the Chiro as he has been hard to get time with (holidays etc.), so I still don't know if the leg length part is true or not, but the pain was too much to let continue in the meantime, which leaves me with the shoulder issue.

What IS interesting though is...The external rotation and other affected movements have been varying in their severity. For example, I could barely do an external rotation at all, with just the weight of my own arm, but then for a few days, I could do maybe 5 reps with 3 pounds in my hand. So I though maybe this was working itself out. But it has since regressed again (this had nothing to do with the lift removal...it happened before I took it out).

So there is some variation in accuteness going on.

I guess until the doc returns, I'm between a rock, and another rock.

OK, the neurologist came back and I saw him yesterday. He did an EMG and found no permanent muscle damage (I thought it was supposed to test for nerve blockages, but he didn't mention anything about that). He said this is good news, and that you can expect to find permanent damage with this amount of paralyisis.

At this point, he is starting to think some nerve virus is attacking the brachial plexus because the MRI shows no problem at the neck and he can't think of anything that could be impinging it.

He says there is no test for the virus, and that you basically simply rule out everything else, and that's what you're left with. It's supposed to runs it's course, and either you regain all your function or some fraction thereof, and that's that. There's a possibility I will never regain 100% function.

Of course this is speculation at this point, but I think he's giving up and handing me off to a physical medicine specialist who has an excellent reputaion. He's supposed to have a very thourough knowledge of the nervous system and weightlifting.

So I wait for that. In the meantime, if it is nerve virus related, I'm looking to find as much info on nerve regeneration, nutrition and general nerve health.

So it turns out the final diagnosis is, Idiopathic Brachial Plexus Neuropathy.

Is that really a diagnosis or just something they tell you when they can't figure it out?

Anyway the gist is, for whatever reason I have damage to the insulating layer of the nerves in that region. So far I've plateaued at 80%.

Any nerve sheath cures/regenerative foods?

I just re-read this. Man I forgot a lot of stuff I had already tried, but I'll paste here what I posted in the forearm thread:

Wow, here it is over 3 years later and I realize all these different problems I've been having with my right arm are still with me, but just appearing in different forms as I try to compensate.

I've been through the full circle of general docs, PT's, orthopedic and neurologists. I've kinda come to a different conclusion...

I think I have carpal tunnel in my right wrist, and it is affecting things upstream in my forearms, biceps and shoulders at different times.

The weakness and pain I get in my wrist and hand I thought were from the upper problems affecting things downstream, but now I think it's the other way around.

I never even thought about carpal tunnel because I always though that was some kind of chick or limp wristed dude disorder.

But I can barely use my thumb these days and my wrist hurts like a bastard...I also turn screws all day.

Duh...

hits self in head

So the question is, how does one go about fixing it without surgery?

Thanks for the info...normally I all for surgery, but for some reason I'm nervous about them cutting into my wrist. I let them cut into my spine no problem but I'm nervous about the wrist, lol.

Fucking thing has been killing me the last few days...relentless pain and throbbing in my thumb and wrist like a motherfucker.

Where you able to punch again?

So I got to see the orthopedist today, and in his opinion, I have no current nerve issues. He also viewed my x-rays and said there's no problems there (whew). What he does say however, is that I have Dequervain's tenosynovitis (in my hand/wrist), and Scapular dyskinesis in my shoulder caused by Impingement syndrome.

I haven't had a chance to look any of this up yet, and wrose, I can't see the doc again because I'm moving out of state. Anyone have any info on this and possible exersize/therapies for me to get on?