What took you time to understand in BJJ?

deepu - 
shen -
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That there is a lot of low percentage bjj taught, especially back when I started. And that I should not spend time on these low percentage moves.

 

By low percentage, I mean stuff that only works on white belts or people you out-strength, or only works when the opponent is unfamiliar with the move

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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">&nbsp;</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">True.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">There is the jiujitsu people pretend exists and then there is the jiu jitsu which actually exists in live rolling. The latter is a much smaller than the former. There are patterns which occur over and over and over again in live rolling, while other patterns --which could happen-- almost never occur. There is a reality to live rolling which is inexplicably different than that which the theoretical practice of jiujitsu prepares one for.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">Also, there is a lot of stuff I think BBs do when rolling with their own students --where they can dominate every moment of and element of a move. THEN, they teach it at a seminar or post it because it's new: &quot;Hey guys, here's a new move I've been experimenting with...&quot;.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">But when you get right down to it, it's not the the kind of thing they would have much success doing against someone around their same skill level. Often, it's a move that requires you essentially be much better than the person you are rolling with.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">The BJJ world is stuffed to the gills with this kind of material; &nbsp;technique that is awesome in THEORY and actually does work well IF you are <em>way better tha</em>n your opponent.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">A lot of newer students can't really tell the difference. The constant push for &quot;newness&quot; in BJJ --while sometimes leading to great innovation-- many times just leads to a lot of technique without depth.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">But that's also how u get good at new things. While today it might only work on white belts, the goal is to eventually add it to your game for all levels. Not saying this is for all moves, but the concept is good. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>

I get that skil in BJJ is all relative, but I'm saying that there are certain kinds of  "black belt moves" which frequently get taught which REQUIRE you be much better than your opponent to pull off. (Show moves, Disneyland moves, etc)

That is, they will only work if you are able to dominate each and every step of the move --say a move where you have to do like 7 correct things in a row for it to work. --It's the kind of move that you will in all probablity only ever be able to do against someone you're significantly better than.

Obviously, that's quite a different thing than simply trying a new move on a white/blue belt and then trying it on better and better opponents as you get better with the move. If it's a legit move, and if you put in the time, it will eventually work on people much closer to your own skill level. But, as I am sure you'll agree, some moves will always be low percentage on a sharp opponent.

 

 

 

shen -
deepu - 
shen -
asdf - 

That there is a lot of low percentage bjj taught, especially back when I started. And that I should not spend time on these low percentage moves.

 

By low percentage, I mean stuff that only works on white belts or people you out-strength, or only works when the opponent is unfamiliar with the move

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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">&nbsp;</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">True.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">There is the jiujitsu people pretend exists and then there is the jiu jitsu which actually exists in live rolling. The latter is a much smaller than the former. There are patterns which occur over and over and over again in live rolling, while other patterns --which could happen-- almost never occur. There is a reality to live rolling which is inexplicably different than that which the theoretical practice of jiujitsu prepares one for.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">Also, there is a lot of stuff I think BBs do when rolling with their own students --where they can dominate every moment of and element of a move. THEN, they teach it at a seminar or post it because it's new: &quot;Hey guys, here's a new move I've been experimenting with...&quot;.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">But when you get right down to it, it's not the the kind of thing they would have much success doing against someone around their same skill level. Often, it's a move that requires you essentially be much better than the person you are rolling with.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">The BJJ world is stuffed to the gills with this kind of material; &nbsp;technique that is awesome in THEORY and actually does work well IF you are <em>way better tha</em>n your opponent.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">A lot of newer students can't really tell the difference. The constant push for &quot;newness&quot; in BJJ --while sometimes leading to great innovation-- many times just leads to a lot of technique without depth.</span></p>
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        <span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span class="User-117927" id="userPost58027242">But that's also how u get good at new things. While today it might only work on white belts, the goal is to eventually add it to your game for all levels. Not saying this is for all moves, but the concept is good. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>

I get that skil in BJJ is all relative, but I'm saying that there are certain kinds of  "black belt moves" which frequently get taught which REQUIRE you be much better than your opponent to pull off. (Show moves, Disneyland moves, etc)

That is, they will only work if you are able to dominate each and every step of the move --say a move where you have to do like 7 correct things in a row for it to work. --It's the kind of move that you will in all probablity only ever be able to do against someone you're significantly better than.

Obviously, that's quite a different thing than simply trying a new move on a white/blue belt and then trying it on better and better opponents as you get better with the move. If it's a legit move, and if you put in the time, it will eventually work on people much closer to your own skill level. But, as I am sure you'll agree, some moves will always be low percentage on a sharp opponent.

 

 


 

Any move on JJ Mchado's Instagram.
Wasted many hours before I figured out it was a complete waste of time Phone Post 3.0

That every roll is not life or death.  It took me until mid way through purple to learn how to "keep it playful."  This has completely changed my outlook on jiu jitsu.  I have nights when I just go in with the intentions of playing jiu jitsu.  I flow and just take what comes.  This obviously happens with guys purple and lower (I'm brown).  There are a few guys I know I can turn it up with and have a tournament style roll but I choose this instead of thinking that is the way jiu jitsu is.

 

I'm hurt much less and have found jiu jitsu to be fun again because of this.

to know who your rolling with and how to roll with them.


I can hear rener saying,it's me bro ,what are you doing

How precious position is.

Followed by the importance of grips. Phone Post 3.0

I've only been taking Bjj a few weeks and there's a ton of great advice in here. Phone Post 3.0

Can someone recommend a good grip fighting vid on youtube Phone Post 3.0

It took me time to realize that for me understanding Jiu Jitsu doesn´t mean anything. Whern I started to feel Jiu Jitsu with my body and not thinking about it to much my progress was starting......

It took me quite some time to understand that "thinking that I understand anything about BJJ is both false and a burdon on my progression."

Strength matters Phone Post 3.0

That I don't have to learn everything and at a certain point tunnel vision is a good thing.

I can't berimbolo or use RDL guard effectively, and without making a serious commitment to stretching and becoming a lot more flexible, I still won't be able to. And that's 100% ok, I don't have to berimbolo or use RDL. It's just not gonna work for me. So I can learn one of the million other positions and techniques that I'm actually good and physically able to perform. Phone Post 3.0

In for experience Phone Post 3.0

timing

A_Butler - That I don't have to learn everything and at a certain point tunnel vision is a good thing.

I can't berimbolo or use RDL guard effectively, and without making a serious commitment to stretching and becoming a lot more flexible, I still won't be able to. And that's 100% ok, I don't have to berimbolo or use RDL. It's just not gonna work for me. So I can learn one of the million other positions and techniques that I'm actually good and physically able to perform. Phone Post 3.0


me neither



dont sweat it



bjj is about finding your own personal game.  have fun with it and play it your way. 



master your escapes

well im three weeks in...tying the belt is different..garroting is not common practice..felt a little dumb...your blackbelts go by degrees instead of Dan ranks...and small joint locks are illegal...but toe locks are legal...does not make sense.

choking me with my lapel is legal but fishhooking or single hand front chokes are illegal...so confused...however still determined...when i get to the world championships one day...ill probably still be wondering why we bother to wear a belt..if we are not going to use it....aaaarrrggghhh....

 

lost newbie white belt:(

Straight footlocks ok but if someone is doing a toe hold on a brand new white belt, Id ask some questions...

Single front hand chokes can damage the windpipe.  Lapel chokes when done properly are artery constrictors and painless/no damage.  

trusting my technique Phone Post 3.0

Ive on only been going for a month and I've learned to do homework . There are a few different positions I'm getting trapped in so i study what I'm doing wrong Phone Post 3.0

It took me awhile to truly understand the importance of underhooks (from a variety of positions). I always heard my instructors emphasizing it, but for some reason I didn't connect with it until probably three years in or so.

When I was a white belt I asked my instructor Jason Ebarb what I was doing that made my guard so easy to pass. He said "don't ever let the guy put his head on you" then years later I asked what I could do to pass seated guard better and he said "don't ever let the guy put his head on you". Something clicked and it was like leveling up in a video game. Phone Post 3.0