was it Tito vs Shamrock or was it some other fight????
Are either one of those bjj bb?
cg51mma - Are either one of those bjj bb?I'm talking about frank and Tito. I know they wasn't back in 1999.
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cg51mma -cg51mma - Are either one of those bjj bb?<span class="User-343251" id="userPost51889974">I'm talking about frank and Tito. I know they wasn't back in 1999. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/apple.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>
i hate to admit that i'm a huge tito fan and i'm pretty sure he does not do gi, but who the hell knows. He is/was a world class grappler and did win bronze at the adcc and def has bjj skills, but in terms of traditional martial arts, wearing a gi and being promoted through the ranks...IDK....His wikipedia, gym website and personal website make no mention of bjj, bjj rank, or bjj black belt anywhere at all. Tito seems like the type that would definitely have that info listed.
war tito..also here is a video of tito in 2009. Notice he is the only guy not wearing a gi.
I'm also a Tito fan and he is definitely a BB level grappler but the question is BJJ BB vs BJJ BB. Upon investigation I have decided it was probably Vitor vs Wanderlei UFC Brazil: Ultimate Brazil (ufc 17.5) October 16, 1998.
cg51mma - I'm also a Tito fan and he is definitely a BB level grappler but the question is BJJ BB vs BJJ BB. Upon investigation I have decided it was probably Vitor vs Wanderlei UFC Brazil: Ultimate Brazil (ufc 17.5) October 16, 1998.
that fight was in 1998.....I think wanderlei got his bjj black belt in 2003. So not sure that counts....this thread is fun, searching through the old fights and fighter's that got me into NHB in the first place.
from november 2003
The following is from http://tatame.com/
After conquering the Pride GP's title, the Chute-Boxe's idol Wanderlei Silva will become a BJJ black belt. Wanderlei is on the way to Rio de Janeiro next Friday to receive the Black belt certificate from the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Confederation's (CBJJ) president Carlinhos Gracie. 'I am so happy. This is an old dream for me and I think after almost submitting Yoshida and Quinton Jackson in the same night I proved that I am ready to receive this belt,' said Wanderlei.
Wanderlei's speech is supported by Carlinhos Gracie: 'He is a great value fighter. Three years ago he was a purple belt of Sonequinha and then caught the brown one with Cristiano Marcelo and now he deserves the black belt. I will give him the black belt certificate from CBJJ, ' explains Carlinhos.
another post same 2003 thread
Originally Posted by Cbear
He's been a brown belt for a while now, having passed for all previous exams. To get a black belt you must have been a brown belt for at least one year and a half and then you must go through an "skills exam" to determine if you can advance to black. The rules regarding belt upgrade are published yearly by CBJJ (Brazilian JJ Confederation). Of course Silva's upgrade to black belt was a recognition to his skills shown in recent competition rather than a regular exam... So if you wanna get your black belt you can either go through the exam or win a Pride GP, whatever you fill more confortable with... Provided you've been a brown belt for at least one year and a half, of course.
cg51mma - I'm also a Tito fan and he is definitely a BB level grappler but the question is BJJ BB vs BJJ BB. Upon investigation I have decided it was probably Vitor vs Wanderlei UFC Brazil: Ultimate Brazil (ufc 17.5) October 16, 1998.
Wand didn't get his Black Belt till 2003.
http://www.mmafighting.net/forum/showthread.php?4066-Wanderlei-Silva-Receives-BJJ-Black-Belt!
cg51mma - I'm also a Tito fan and he is definitely a BB level grappler but the question is BJJ BB vs BJJ BB. Upon investigation I have decided it was probably Vitor vs Wanderlei UFC Brazil: Ultimate Brazil (ufc 17.5) October 16, 1998.Is there actually any proof Vitor has a black belt? IIRC he wore the black belt so people wouldn't think he had such good boxing skills.
^ Carlson gave Vitor the Blackbelt himself. No denying that. The controversy comes from how fast he got it. Pretty much skipped brown alltogether iirc.
The Pendulum -I remember reading that Vitor got his BB from Carlson at like 17 or 18. I assumed that Wandy had his by 98. Obviously I was wrong about Wandy.cg51mma - I'm also a Tito fan and he is definitely a BB level grappler but the question is BJJ BB vs BJJ BB. Upon investigation I have decided it was probably Vitor vs Wanderlei UFC Brazil: Ultimate Brazil (ufc 17.5) October 16, 1998.Is there actually any proof Vitor has a black belt? IIRC he wore the black belt so people wouldn't think he had such good boxing skills.
First High Level Ground Fighter vs Ground Fighter in the UFC would have certainly been Royce vs Dan Severn at UFC 4.
Strictly BJJ Black Belt vs BJJ Black Belt? Im not sure of the timings (and, I admit I had to look through the records) may have been Carlos Newton vs Pat Miletich at UFC 31?
If Carlos and Pat hadn't been awarded their Blacks by that point, then my next guess would be Pedro Rizzo vs Ricco Rodriguez at UFC 45.
It might have been on that Ultimate Brazil card though. there were 2 matches in the undercard that featued Brazillians vs Brazillians.
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"my next guess would be Pedro Rizzo vs Ricco Rodriguez at UFC 45."
UFC 45 was in 2003
Ricco didn't get his Blackbelt till 2006.
Rizzo I don't think ever got an official BJJ BB. Just a Ruas Vale Tudo BB
hmmm.... what about Matt Sera vs Ivan Menjivar UFC 48?
Was Menjivar a BJJ BB in 2004?
Guys I have found it Bj Penn vs Matt Serra at UFC 39 September 27, 2002. Serra has his BB in 2000 and Bj also in 2000. Mystery solved.
cg51mma - Guys I have found it Bj Penn vs Matt Serra at UFC 39 September 27, 2002. Serra has his BB in 2000 and Bj also in 2000. Mystery solved.
nice find voted up
Guys I have found it Bj Penn vs Matt Serra at UFC 39 September 27, 2002. Serra has his BB in 2000 and Bj also in 2000. Mystery solved.
good work but waaait a minute.....
how about Gil Castillo vs Chris Brennan in UFC 35?
weren't they both BJJ Blackbelts?
Ttt