'White Spaces' become places to work thru racism

Nicole O’Connor, a nurse practitioner in St. Louis, was selling her dining room table on Facebook when a prospective buyer — a black man — reached out. She told her husband not to leave her alone if the man came to see the furniture, which she didn’t feel the need to say when a white woman like herself had shown interest.

That was her moment of clarity: “I was like, ‘Oh my God, that’s racism,'” O’Connor, 32, said in a group of all white adults this month. “So I told my husband. I’m like, ‘I don’t know what to do with this, but this is how I’m feeling.'”

O’Connor felt vulnerable and embarrassed but also understood as she shared the story with seven others sitting in a circle at a school in suburban St. Louis. No one passed judgment. This was their “white space” — a concept that has been growing in communities like St. Louis where racial incidents have prompted anger and even unrest.

A stream of viral videos this year involving white people — them calling police on black people doing ordinary activities perceived as suspicious, threatening to call ICE on Spanish-speaking workers or in racist rants — resonated in ways that have frustrated and disturbed not only minorities but white Americans who want to make sense of what they’re watching.

An NBC News|SurveyMonkey poll released in May found that 64 percent of respondents believe racism remains a “major problem” in America, and while 40 percent of blacks said they were treated unfairly in a store or restaurant, only 7 percent of whites said the same.

O’Connor’s group is one of several that began through the Metro St. Louis chapter of the YWCA, which has focused on racial justice in a region that has been historically segregatedand where blacks have faced higher rates of poverty, infant mortality and unemployment than whites. The YWCA’s program — based on the 2010 book “Witnessing Whiteness” — began in 2011, but interest climbed after the fatal shooting of black teenager Michael Brown in the suburb of Ferguson in 2014, said Mary Ferguson, the chapter’s racial justice director.

Now, as many as 16 groups meet in schools, churches and other community spaces, with up to 25 people in each, Ferguson said. More than dozen more groups are set to begin meeting in January.

Enrollment is free and the groups are organized by volunteers, but there remains one catch: Participants must identify as white.

“It was important to us that we had a group where people of color wouldn’t be on the spot, wouldn’t be asked to teach, wouldn’t be asked to listen to white people as they struggle to understand racism,” she added.

Ferguson said having a place for white people to meet also promotes a more candid conversation. The sessions focus on book chapters such as “Culture, Tradition, and Appropriation?” and “Positions of Privilege.”

“One of the greatest fears that many of our participants express … is the fear that they’re going to offend,” Ferguson said. “That they are going to show their ignorance, that they are going to upset other people and they sense it themselves. One way that we can open up the space for conversation is to make the group all white.”

Such “whiteness” programs have been scrutinized by whites and people of color who believe the courses are their own form of segregation.

The University of Colorado at Colorado Springs scrapped an “Unmasking Whiteness” class in May since it was not intended for all races, The Gazette, the local newspaper, reported.

But the assumption that America has moved into a “post-racial” space — particularly after the election of Barack Obama as president in 2008 — is a fallacy, said Debby Irving, who is white and the author of “Waking Up White and Finding Myself in the Story of Race,” about the concept of white privilege.

This year’s trend of white women, in particular, calling police on black people — including a man trying to enter his own apartment building in St. Louis and a young boy in Brooklyn, New York, wrongly accused of sexual assault — shows that “white ignorance and white silence” remain chronic problems in America, Irving said.

O’Connor, the nurse practitioner, said she had never heard the term “white privilege” until this year, but through “Witnessing Whiteness” sessions has realized how racism can be subtle and unintentional, not as overt as waving a Confederate flag and shouting the N-word, but real nonetheless.

Nicole O’Connor said she had never heard the term “white privilege” until this year.NBC News

One chapter in the book, she told the group, made her think, “Wow, I’m racist,” and that she “used to think I was this perfect little white person in a bubble that didn’t do anything bad to black people, and so I was OK.”

Speaking with her husband after the furniture-selling incident made her see the progress she was making because she could at least recognize and vocalize her subtle racism.

“This class has done a lot for me in just the awareness and understanding of where this exists in my life,” O’Connor told the group. “Do I know what to do with it right now? No. But you’ve got to start somewhere.”

Other people in the group were working out their own experiences: One man said the feeling of white guilt alone wasn’t going to stop the shootings of black men by police.

A woman wondered how she could be labeled as “privileged” if she was lower-middle class and worked hard just to get there.

Vincent C. Flewellen, who is African-American and the former associate director of diversity and inclusion at a St. Louis-area private school that offered a “Witnessing Whiteness” program, said going through the sessions doesn’t automatically transform someone. It’s a process.

But at a minimum, he said, he wants white people to not call police on black people “just because they’re gathering in a park.”

Most important, he added, “the outcome is that they find their voice and are able to speak to, call out and stand up against racism.”

Sue Dersch, a group leader, has been trying to do just that. She began as a participant in the program in 2014, after the shooting in Ferguson. She hadn’t necessarily thought of herself as racist — in fact, she and her husband had adopted two black sons more than 10 years ago.

But going through the program led her to re-examine her life experiences. One time, before the adoption, she said she tensed up and became fearful when she saw a young black man in a hoodie walking toward her in a parking lot. A year ago, while she was stuffing letters into a mailbox, a young black man was walking toward her — again, she said, she grew tense.

Dersch — no stranger to being targeted when her “Black Lives Matter” signs were vandalized repeatedly outside of her home three years ago — was mortified that she had had the same reaction. “I had the overwhelming feeling of, ‘Oh my goodness, some other women could be feeling that same way about my sons,'” said Dersch, 63. “That really kind of shook me.”

When thinking about videos of white women calling police on black people — garnering nicknames on social media like “Pool Patrol Paula” and “Barbecue Becky” — she sometimes wishes she could freeze-frame the situation and tell them: “It’s not your business. … Take a step back, stay in your lane, go get your groceries, and go home and fix dinner.”

Ultimately, she said, it’s easy to be critical of others, but white people can’t be afraid to turn the mirror on themselves for fear of being branded as racist. For her, it’s a progression, peeling back layer after layer of built-in bias.

Her goal? “I want to be less racist tomorrow than I am today,” Dersch said.

 

https://www.wxxv25.com/2018/12/24/white-people-only-white-spaces-become-places-to-work-through-racism/

" She told her husband not to leave her alone if the man came to see the furniture, which she didn’t feel the need to say when a white woman like herself had shown interest."


What about a white man?

Jack Carter - " She told her husband not to leave her alone if the man came to see the furniture, which she didn’t feel the need to say when a white woman like herself had shown interest."


What about a white man?

Yes, that hypothetical white man is also racist.

 

OP you are obssesed with shitting on white people.

 

Edit:  Sorry, that was a microtransaction,  I meant Wypepo. 

Throwin'Knuckles - 

It’s Christmas for cryin out loud.. 


Is it a white Xmas?? If so, that's racist...

The woman in the story sounds like the type of person to get murdered because she doesn't listen to that feeling in her guts

Lmao. American whites are the new native Americans. Soon to be gone. 

Jack Carter - " She told her husband not to leave her alone if the man came to see the furniture, which she didn’t feel the need to say when a white woman like herself had shown interest."


What about a white man?

Jeez, how about any stranger you're inviting into your home? A little while girl could be canvassing your house or have a crew waiting in the car for confirmation that you're alone. She's fine to question herself, but she should be going in the opposite direction when it comes to safety. 

This reminds me of the story after the election of some limp-wristed New York reporter calling to get his sink fixed, and then being frightened of his plumber because he was a middle-aged white guy who he thought might have voted for Trump.

Some people are just fucking crazy.

Steve4192 - This reminds me of the story after the election of some limp-wristed New York reporter calling to get his sink fixed, and then being frightened of his plumber because he was a middle-aged white guy who he thought might have voted for Trump.

Some people are just fucking crazy.


Sure that wasn't an orcus thread?

Dirtywhiteboy - 
Steve4192 - This reminds me of the story after the election of some limp-wristed New York reporter calling to get his sink fixed, and then being frightened of his plumber because he was a middle-aged white guy who he thought might have voted for Trump.

Some people are just fucking crazy.


Sure that wasn't an orcus thread?


It was Ned Resnikoff of ThinkProgress.

Oikophobia on the rise after Trump win

How crazy has the reaction to Trump’s impending presidency gotten? So crazy that Democratic operatives are scared of plumbers, and I don’t mean the Watergate kind.

No, really. Ned Resnikoff, a “senior editor” at the liberal website ThinkProgress, wrote on Facebook that he’d called a plumber to fix a clogged drain. The plumber showed up, did the job and left, but Resnikoff was left shaken, though with a functioning drain. Wrote Resnikoff, “He was a perfectly nice guy and a consummate professional. But he was also a middle-aged white man with a Southern accent who seemed unperturbed by this week’s news.”

This created fear: “While I had him in the apartment, I couldn’t stop thinking about whether he had voted for Trump, whether he knew my last name is Jewish, and how that knowledge might change the interaction we were having inside my own home.”

When it was all over, Resnikoff reported that he was “rattled” at the thought that a Trump supporter might have been in his home. “I couldn’t shake the sense of potential danger.”

Well. When people have irrational, exaggerated fears we call them phobias. We heard a lot during this year’s immigration debate about “xenophobia,” an exaggerated or irrational fear of foreigners. But this plumber wasn’t a foreigner. He was an American with an American regional accent who thought the American election had turned out okay. What do you call the irrational fear of an American, by an American?

Roger Scruton coined the term “oikophobia” (from the Greed oikos for “home”) to describe the fear of one’s fellow countrymen. And there seems to be rather a lot of it among the gentry liberals who make up America’s ruling class.

... more at .....

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/01/13/donald-trump-class-rural-white-democrats-glenn-reynolds-column/96413412/

... and here's a tweet containing Resnikoff's original Facebook post in it's full glory.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/818110426777063427

My favorite comments from the tweet thread are:

"I began to wonder how bigoted and predjudicial this blue-collar hick tradesman must be."

"And how he could kill me with his bare, calloused, & unmoisturized hands. Plebs are terrifying"

Kroger39 - The woman in the story sounds like the type of person to get murdered because she doesn't listen to that feeling in her guts

Her husband needs to talk to her about this shit. Could you imagine having her for your wife?

Some call it racism. I call it smart. A woman home alone when a stranger from the internet wants to visit is sketchy. 

Dashabox - 
Jack Carter - " She told her husband not to leave her alone if the man came to see the furniture, which she didn’t feel the need to say when a white woman like herself had shown interest."


What about a white man?

Yes, that hypothetical white man is also racist.

 

OP you are obssesed with shitting on white people.

 

Edit:  Sorry, that was a microtransaction,  I meant Wypepo. 


He's a Lloyd Irvin supporter, what do you expect?

Kroger39 - The woman in the story sounds like the type of person to get murdered because she doesn't listen to that feeling in her guts

She's probably planning a backpacking trip in Morocco in the near future.

tenchu - 
Dashabox - 
Jack Carter - " She told her husband not to leave her alone if the man came to see the furniture, which she didn’t feel the need to say when a white woman like herself had shown interest."


What about a white man?

Yes, that hypothetical white man is also racist.

 

OP you are obssesed with shitting on white people.

 

Edit:  Sorry, that was a microtransaction,  I meant Wypepo. 


He's a Lloyd Irvin supporter, what do you expect?

that seriously explains a lot

The chick from the OP is trying too hard, making a victim out of herself based on a flawed premise of a phony concept.

if she was scared because the plumber was a strange man and wanted another man there, everyone would be totally okay with it

 

i say do what u want to feel comfortable

Of all the hobbies to choose from, some people are choosing to spend their free time among a bunch of white people, competing to see who is the most subconsciously racist.