why aren't there any good cheaters anymore?

I never see true quality cheating like feet on ropes, eye pokes, low blows, sliding out of ring.... Guys could learn from Old school Rick Flair, Roddy Piper, Larry Zybysko etc....

Because the WWE is hell bent in making the heels look like pussies and their faces boring as humanly possible. Phone Post

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That's a good point. Someone like Damien Sandow should bring back the art of cheating at every possible opportunity.

The economy is bad, budget cuts and inflation makes it so guys cant afford to be good heels. Just a few examples, the international shortage on baby powder has caused prices to sore. Brass knuckles are basically antiques now and pulling decent money at auction so most guys have sold their knucks off. The ring bell has been replaced with a sound of a bell over the PA system. Turnbuckle pads are made with synthetic rope instead of actual rope making it much harder to untie without assistance from another person. Phone Post

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The economy is bad, budget cuts and inflation makes it so guys cant afford to be good heels. Just a few examples, the international shortage on baby powder has caused prices to sore. Brass knuckles are basically antiques now and pulling decent money at auction so most guys have sold their knucks off. The ring bell has been replaced with a sound of a bell over the PA system. Turnbuckle pads are made with synthetic rope instead of actual rope making it much harder to untie without assistance from another person. Phone Post


that was actually funny

That would actually make a pretty funny article if you added to it a bit. "Why heels can no longer afford to cheat."

bigwignj - 

The economy is bad, budget cuts and inflation makes it so guys cant afford to be good heels. Just a few examples, the international shortage on baby powder has caused prices to sore. Brass knuckles are basically antiques now and pulling decent money at auction so most guys have sold their knucks off. The ring bell has been replaced with a sound of a bell over the PA system. Turnbuckle pads are made with synthetic rope instead of actual rope making it much harder to untie without assistance from another person. Phone Post


  That would be a good angle too.  Someone is supposed to have a match and then they show him getting arrested at Rite Aid for trying to steal baby powder.

Now that is some ECW right there. Guys getting arrested stealing implements from the dollar store around the corner, hahahahaha.

I think that the decision makers think that it makes the bad guys look weak. What they dont realize is that they are doing worse with some of their booking decisions.

One advantage of the chicken-shit bad guy gimmick is that it gives them a way for the bad guy to lose without lowering his status in the pecking order. If they lose a match by getting caught, the good guy gets a win, while the bad guy did not get pinned cleanly.

Now in WWE, they let someone like Cena beat 2 guys with clean pins. That makes them look way more weak.


The idea of the cheating heel seemed to die with Eddie unfortunately. He was so good he pulled it off as a face too Phone Post

Agreed Eddie was the best imo. Phone Post

Eddie was to cheating what Bret Hart was to "technical wrestling". Were they the best? Maybe, maybe not, but they were so consistent and over with their respective strong points that they will always be remembered in that light. I agree that cheating thing kind of died with Eddie for the time being. Not cheating itself, but making a gimmick of it. That takes a little something extra.

bigwignj - The economy is bad, budget cuts and inflation makes it so guys cant afford to be good heels. Just a few examples, the international shortage on baby powder has caused prices to sore. Brass knuckles are basically antiques now and pulling decent money at auction so most guys have sold their knucks off. The ring bell has been replaced with a sound of a bell over the PA system. Turnbuckle pads are made with synthetic rope instead of actual rope making it much harder to untie without assistance from another person. Phone Post

Soar imo Phone Post

bigwignj - 

The economy is bad, budget cuts and inflation makes it so guys cant afford to be good heels. Just a few examples, the international shortage on baby powder has caused prices to sore. Brass knuckles are basically antiques now and pulling decent money at auction so most guys have sold their knucks off. The ring bell has been replaced with a sound of a bell over the PA system. Turnbuckle pads are made with synthetic rope instead of actual rope making it much harder to untie without assistance from another person. Phone Post


This. Have you seen the price of forks and flash paper these days? By Allah, I am now forced to stab the infidels with shit from the dollar store and I can't throw fire.
-Sheik Abdullah III

As much as I loved ECW, I think they ruined the idea of a cheating heel. When WWF ripped ECW off with the Attitude Era, having a bunch of hardcore matches, falls count anywhere, no DQ, etc., plus the "faces" using heel tactics, it made it so that you couldn't have a credible old school heel match. How can you really get pissed at a heel doing something like an eye rake when you have his face opponent do 2 low blows in his last match to the crowd's delight? How credible is powder to the face when the face overcame 10 chairshots at the last PPV?

Sandy Pantz has a point, even the faces do heel tactics today and get cheered for it.

On top of that things got so over the top in WWE that it just doesn't seem to have the same impact it once did.

cheat to win. if you aint cheating, you aint trying. Phone Post