...other than the fact that i suck at jiu jitsu / life.
So, when I have half guard with my top knee on the guy's chest or hip keeping their weight off of me: Often the opponent will push on my bottom knee to try to pass.
When he puts his palm on my knee to do this his elbow is far away from his ribs and it seems like this is a good time to get a kimura for a finish or maybe reversal.
The problem is that it never goes anywhere for me.
I have seen guys finish Kimura's from here seemingly effortlessly.
I read the section in Saulo's book about this and it hasn't helped much.
Are there any common mistakes or tips that some of you guys might have. ...or should i just give up on this and move on.
i was going to recommend saulo's book... but you've read that. move your hips, and get his hand behind his back and away from his body so he can't defend quickly.
Helio couldn't finish him, either. Don't feel bad.
i really dont like to go for the kimura from half guard. it is a lot easier to defend than it is to attack with.
Baroquen Record - i really dont like to go for the kimura from half guard. it is a lot easier to defend than it is to attack with.
that's what i thought, but saulo seemed to indicate differently in his book... i'll have to re-read that section.
Baroquen Record - i really dont like to go for the kimura from half guard. it is a lot easier to defend than it is to attack with.
I agree
When I can't finish the kimura from my half guard, I like to go for the armlock: if I have his right leg in my half guard and kimura on his left arm, I pass my left foot on his back, hook his left leg with my left foot (near his left hip), raise my hips and face the mat, and turn my body on my left to make the opp roll and apply a straight armlock. (I remember Shaolin do this move on his three dimension dvd when he rolls without gi)
The problem is that the opp often blok my left leg with his right arm.
Do you guys know a way to avoid that?
joshjitsu -Baroquen Record - i really dont like to go for the kimura from half guard. it is a lot easier to defend than it is to attack with.
I agree
Ok. I appreciate the info. However, is there anything good to do as an alternative when they push on the knee with their palm or is this a dead end?
"Anytime you go for a kimura from bottom, try get the upper half of his arm tight against your chest before you try finish. Trying to crank it without that is hard to do against a strong opponent, in my opinion."
This is correct. The other two points to making this work are:
1) Pressure down with your over-hooking arm, preventing him from posturuing up.
2) Pull his arm out (parallel to the floor)to get it away from his body before you start trying to rotate it up for the submission.
Another thing I LOVE to do if I can't seem to pry his arm free, is to unlock my legs and let him escape my halfguard. I promise you, he's going to pass and go right to north-south. Make sure you keep the kimura grip on his arm, and as he starts to get to north-south, bridge HARD over your shoulder, pushing your gripped-hands right up into his chest/solar plexus. He will go right over onto his back, and now you're in great position to finish with your own north-south kimura.
This move is one of my absolute favorite finishes. It takes a little timing, but it's certainly worth working on.
Another thing I LOVE to do if I can't seem to pry his arm free, is to unlock my legs and let him escape my halfguard. I promise you, he's going to pass and go right to north-south. Make sure you keep the kimura grip on his arm, and as he starts to get to north-south, bridge HARD over your shoulder, pushing your gripped-hands right up into his chest/solar plexus. He will go right over onto his back, and now you're in great position to finish with your own north-south kimura.
I'm going to try this. I like the idea of using it for a reversal if I'm unable to finish the kimura.
YourMomsBox -joshjitsu -Baroquen Record - i really dont like to go for the kimura from half guard. it is a lot easier to defend than it is to attack with.
I agree
Ok. I appreciate the info. However, is there anything good to do as an alternative when they push on the knee with their palm or is this a dead end?
i like to hold the wrist of the hand thats on my knee like i wanted to set up a kimura and start to scoot out and almost sitting up and reach over his back with the other hand and grab his belt. if no belt you can cup the other side of his torso. then you let him pass all the way to side mount but shove his hand in between his legs and bridge as he comes around and roll him over.. youll end up in north south. i really dont know any better way to explain it but maybe someone who knows the move knows where there is a video of it somewhere.
good stuff, thanks. these reversal ideas are what i'm looking for.
Forrest Gimp - Anytime you go for a kimura from bottom, try get the upper half of his arm tight against your chest before you try finish. Trying to crank it without that is hard to do against a strong opponent, in my opinion. Sit up so you can figure four the arm. I prefer to sit up so my chest touches the arm. That way I don't spend energy pulling his arm to my chest. then I hold it there, fall back and crank it. Upper part of his arm always against my chest.
Anyways, hope that helps some
This. Also, some advice that Matt Thornton has on one of his dvds. When you lock the arm up, gluing it to your body, turn your entire upper torso to the floor. So you want to your face to be touching the floor with your ear down, making your entire upper torso shift. Then, explode out and corkscrew back in to get the sub with your entire body.
You can...you just have'nt.
Anytime you go for a kimura from bottom, try get the upper half of his arm tight against your chest before you try finish. Trying to crank it without that is hard to do against a strong opponent, in my opinion."
This is correct. The other two points to making this work are:
1) Pressure down with your over-hooking arm, preventing him from posturuing up.
2) Pull his arm out (parallel to the floor)to get it away from his body before you start trying to rotate it up for the submission.
Another thing I LOVE to do if I can't seem to pry his arm free, is to unlock my legs and let him escape my halfguard. I promise you, he's going to pass and go right to north-south. Make sure you keep the kimura grip on his arm, and as he starts to get to north-south, bridge HARD over your shoulder, pushing your gripped-hands right up into his chest/solar plexus. He will go right over onto his back, and now you're in great position to finish with your own north-south kimura.
This move is one of my absolute favorite finishes. It takes a little timing, but it's certainly worth working on.
this is a great suggestion....pratice it with a friend. I also like to act like i'm going for a kimura from half and crank on it upward a bit, the opponent will usually create enought space where you can get full guard and then go for the finish.
Chadda78 - Helio couldn't finish him, either. Don't feel bad.
That's funny shit.
This is pretty much the only way I go for kimuras from half guard bottom:
http://www.purefight.org/videos/coverage/view_video/234235-lionheart/79660-technique-tuesday
A poorly explained riff on the "let-em-pass" sweep Shadallion described above:
As you unlock your legs and let your opponent pass, use your legs as a pendulum to swing you quickly away from him. Do it with some energy so that you basically come all the way around, about 340 degrees. Doing this turns you to your back and then onto the opposite side of your body that you started on.
Believe it, or not, at the conclusion of your spin, you will find yourself in very good position to take your opponent's back. I saw this quite a bit ago on at a Rigan seminar, and have used it to very good effect very since. I hope this is somewhere near clear.
As soon as you have the arm figure-4ed, place his wrist on the back of his ribs/waist.
If you do this first, he can't grab onto his clothing, spin for the armbar, etc. All he can do is roll (and if you're playing HG, you can stop the roll by keeping his leg entangled).
To finish, slide the wrist up his back towards his head. But get it to the back of his waist IMMEDIATELY.