Why do we in MMA call tko's KO's? I think it is laughable when a fighter gets knocked down and the ref stops the fight we call it a KO. It makes us look like idiots. For example, Chuck Lidell did not KO babalu. He knocked him down yes but he did not knock him out. This happens all the time. My friends who are big boxing fans were laughing at that. We do have legit ko's in mma but we need to stop calling knockdowns a ko.
LOL at Liddell/ Babalu not being a KO.
OK, troll: TKO is called when a fighter is down and can't defend intelligently. I.e., nothing would stop the other guy from following him to the ground and pounding him into oblivion (as opposed to boxing, where the guy is given time to recover and suffer some more brain damage). Stopping the fight with the knockdown just cuts short what would inevitably happen.
I don't necessarily disagree. But it's the same as a tko in boxing. The ref sees fit to stop it because he feels the fighter is not defending himself intelligently and WOULD get knocked out and/or possibly injured by way of head trauma so "technically" it's a knock out.
But to me, a tko is a tko and a ko is a ko and I think a ko is when somebody goes to sleep.
I agree, a ko is when someone is out cold. But most of the time when a fighter gets knocked down and the ref jumps the gun a stops the fight they call it a knockout.
its semantics, really. i mean, ok, we'll change them all to "TKO" instead of "KO". other than making you feel better, what would that do?
Knock a guy down 3 times in one round in boxing and it is a tko whether he is out or not.
'its semantics, really. i mean, ok, we'll change them all to "TKO" instead of "KO". other than making you feel better, what would that do?'
While I agree its all semantics, the change would offer a more precise way of describing fight ends. Precision is a very important part of language.
For example: if I read Igor Vovchanchyn wins Francisco Bueno by KO, I know he was KO'd cold, if I read Chuck Liddell wins Tito Ortiz by TKO, I know the ref stopped the fight. Considering both fights KOs is not precise, as one is a KO and the other is as ref stoppage.
My friends who are big boxing fans were laughing at that. We do have legit ko's in mma but we need to stop calling knockdowns a ko."
Do you want to change all the KO's in boxing to TKO's when the fighter is not "out cold" but simply cant get up by the count of 10 while his opponent patiently waits in a corner?
There are very, very few true KO's where the fighter is actually unconscious. In MMA if they are not, the ref HAS to step in or there would be a lot of dead fighters, or we can just ruin the entire fucking sport by giving everyone in trouble 10 seconds to rest and recover whenever they get dazed or take a knee.
Some good examples of this are Horn/Lidell. Some refs would have ko'd him on that second or third knockdown. I believe Mcarthy did a great job letting it go. Some would argue that it was inevitable and Horn took more punches and worse damage that he needed to.
Could he have come back and beat Lidell? It's possible in this sport. Did he? No.
Horn in essence tko'd himself when he knew he was beat. So he knew it was over but the ref didn't.
Remember Serra getting rocked by that spinning backfist. I think Serra would have recovered and eventually sub'd carter.
But that's what I'd be saying if Big John had tko'd Horn, cause Horn is one of my favorite fighters from way back. I lost money on that fight....to my girlfriend!
Would babalu have recovered? Maybe against a lesser opponent. I don't think against Chuck.
I move that we eliminate refs all together..and fight to the death.
Except in shooto, there is of course no 1o count, instead the refree Stops the Contest, what is called RSC in amateur boxing. Some organisations do note if the fighter is knocked out, or not. I think RSC should be used in our sport, too.
And totally aside, did anyone but a geek like me know that there is only one word in English that is made up of three letters, with the letters appearing once, twice, and four times - referee. I don't know why I posted that, and am going to take a nap.
"My friends who are big boxing fans were laughing at that."
Aren't most boxing KO's just the fighter being unable to beat the count, or staggering/falling while trying to get up? How many are the guy actually lying there unconscious for any length of time?
Anyway, just because you aren't lying there dead like Telligman or Martin doesn't mean you weren't KO'd. You don't drop like a puppet with its strings cut when you're conscious. You want someone getting "dropped", look at Lawler dropping Lytle and Lytle clapping on the way down. You want someone losing consciousness (however briefly), look at Liddell/Ortiz.
For the record, I don't think Babalu was KO'd, or Randleman, or Chonan vs Baroni.
I agree, I don't like the term TKO.