Sub for later. Interesting thread. 
for me personaly ill never bitch about to many mma fights, i could watch them everyday, its the ppvs that piss me off, i used to buy every ppv since late 90's and this year barely any at all, i dont watch any other sports, so im paying cable just to watch the ufc, also the fightpass, no way going to buy anymore ppvs, the greed of zuffa is finally catching up, you can only take advantage of fans for so long and the fighters for that matter
FadeToBlack said: "We need fresh blood. Hopefully Lorenzo sells this fucking thing to someone who has an imagination, someone like Scott Coker who seems to think like a fight fan. These guys are just running a business with a passion for the sport of a wooden log."
I agree with this.
The Yeti - I played League instead of watching last weekends prelims, first time I've missed prelims on forever
Me too :D
Beezulbubba -elgringo - Your point about League of Legends being bigger doesn't mean much. League of Legends is more popular than just about any sport or activity in the world.
Weird. I never even heard of it.
Your dwelling must be beneath a large mass of separated earth
<blockquote>JeffersonDArcyChoke - <span id='userPost51288968' class='User-303140'>Im just against Dana fraternizing with Conor in the way he has publicly. <br><br>It creates a vibe of impropriety and outright favoritism not present in other sports. <br><br>If you want to be a boxing promoter and cozy up with a fighter it makes sense. <br><br>When you run the sanctioning body it looks bad. <br><br>Again, I'd love to see Roger Goodell making it rain with Johnny Manziel or doing a keg stand as Gronk holds his feet but you won't see that. <br><br>It's understood that the league doesn't exactly hate the Denver Broncos for being so popular but you don't see Goodell posing for selfies with Peyton Manning. <br><br>Dennis Siver is clearly the job boy in Boston and it's like Terry Gibbs getting ready to take on The Ultimate Warrior. <br><br>That type of Vince McMahon stuff works because the fights are fixed. <br><br>UFC is entertainment but it's still sport and the bouts aren't fixed so this type of fraternization only blurs that line and creates an image where a casual fan sees it as WWE and that Conor is booked to win in Boston rather than seeing it as a fight with a genuine sporting chance. <br><br>Those types of selfies are part of why it's not taken seriously and why being more professional is the ticket to competing in the marketplace with professional entities such as the NFL. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></span></blockquote><br /> I posted a similar argument in reddit and didn't get a great response. It seems like a lot of MMA fans don't really mind that the guy who is, more or less, the commissioner of a sports league has these kinds of relationships with some of his fighters. It really should make us uncomfortable as fans.
JeffersonDArcyChoke - Im just against Dana fraternizing with Conor in the way he has publicly.
It creates a vibe of impropriety and outright favoritism not present in other sports.
If you want to be a boxing promoter and cozy up with a fighter it makes sense.
When you run the sanctioning body it looks bad.
Again, I'd love to see Roger Goodell making it rain with Johnny Manziel or doing a keg stand as Gronk holds his feet but you won't see that.
It's understood that the league doesn't exactly hate the Denver Broncos for being so popular but you don't see Goodell posing for selfies with Peyton Manning.
Dennis Siver is clearly the job boy in Boston and it's like Terry Gibbs getting ready to take on The Ultimate Warrior.
That type of Vince McMahon stuff works because the fights are fixed.
UFC is entertainment but it's still sport and the bouts aren't fixed so this type of fraternization only blurs that line and creates an image where a casual fan sees it as WWE and that Conor is booked to win in Boston rather than seeing it as a fight with a genuine sporting chance.
Those types of selfies are part of why it's not taken seriously and why being more professional is the ticket to competing in the marketplace with professional entities such as the NFL.
I posted a similar argument in reddit and didn't get a great response. It seems like a lot of MMA fans don't really mind that the guy who is, more or less, the commissioner of a sports league has these kinds of relationships with some of his fighters. It really should make us uncomfortable as fans.
Not really sure what happened with my above post. I have to work with an older browser at work and I was unable to delete it.
The craziest part is that we know for a fact that they read this site. We know they see their fanbase absolutely hating the direction they're taking. We know, obviously, that they see their numbers completely fuckin tanking.
AND YET, they do nothing. Nothing at all. Just the same full steam ahead on the current cliff targeting course.
Ok...
THIS is what happens when a business' direction is "we want to be the biggest and the baddest." An ego driven business will bring itself to it's knees.
elgringo - Your point about League of Legends being bigger doesn't mean much. League of Legends is more popular than just about any sport or activity in the world.But what if you don't factor in the Koreans? Is it still more popular?
Agreed.
how about letting the fighters go back to being crazy.
I miss the old pride walkouts and shit
It's simple math, really. In some South American countries, the UFC gets over 1 million pesos per PPV. Granted, that 1 million pesos would only be 79 cents in the USA, but still 1 million is a huge number.
"Fuck you and your dollar. We'd rather have pesos. What's bigger, you dummy, 1 million or 79?"
Cognitivi bias on OP's part
biggest problem, in my humble opinion....
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Injuries are by far the largest contributors to the weak cards that are the plight of the UFC's demise. If you can't put out a quality product, the fans (CONSUMERS) are going to lose intereSt.
That being said, the UFC has dropped the ball in putting on great cards. If all it takes is one injury to turn a great card into a shit card (who wouldn't have spent $60 on Jones/Henderson?) then you gotta check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Limited attention spans. 
FadeToBlack - I agree with almost everything CRE posted. The UFC does such a shitty job taking an awesome product (cage fights) and basically cutting the balls off of it and making it the most boring shit possible. They are so corporate-minded (especially with their copyrighted content and threats to those who - heaven forbid - share how awesome the sport is without "consent") they just shoot themselves in the foot. We need fresh blood. Hopefully Lorenzo sells this fucking thing to someone who has an imagination, someone like Scott Coker who seems to think like a fight fan. These guys are just running a business with a passion for the sport of a wooden log.
Coker put Strikeforce $22 million in debt. It's one thing to run a "fun" organization like Scott did, but it's another thing too run a smart an efficient company.
potato623 -FadeToBlack - I agree with almost everything CRE posted. The UFC does such a shitty job taking an awesome product (cage fights) and basically cutting the balls off of it and making it the most boring shit possible. They are so corporate-minded (especially with their copyrighted content and threats to those who - heaven forbid - share how awesome the sport is without "consent") they just shoot themselves in the foot. We need fresh blood. Hopefully Lorenzo sells this fucking thing to someone who has an imagination, someone like Scott Coker who seems to think like a fight fan. These guys are just running a business with a passion for the sport of a wooden log.
Coker put Strikeforce $22 million in debt. It's one thing to run a "fun" organization like Scott did, but it's another thing too run a smart an efficient company.
Dana put the UFC $43 million in debt before TUF1 final (which he was adamently against, by the way) saved their asses. So what's your point?
I Wild Each It -potato623 -FadeToBlack - I agree with almost everything CRE posted. The UFC does such a shitty job taking an awesome product (cage fights) and basically cutting the balls off of it and making it the most boring shit possible. They are so corporate-minded (especially with their copyrighted content and threats to those who - heaven forbid - share how awesome the sport is without "consent") they just shoot themselves in the foot. We need fresh blood. Hopefully Lorenzo sells this fucking thing to someone who has an imagination, someone like Scott Coker who seems to think like a fight fan. These guys are just running a business with a passion for the sport of a wooden log.
Coker put Strikeforce $22 million in debt. It's one thing to run a "fun" organization like Scott did, but it's another thing too run a smart an efficient company.
Dana put the UFC $43 million in debt before TUF1 final (which he was adamently against, by the way) saved their asses. So what's your point?
Point; UFC got out of debt, became the première PPV sports industry, got a major deal with Fox, expanded globally, and has become one of the 10 most valuable brands in North American Sports.
Strikeforce knew they couldn't get out of the whole and got there problems solved by a buyout.
Weird that the UFC is "retarded" but no other MMA organization has lasted as long them, in fact most were acquired by Zuffa because of how terrible they were financially.
I think the main problem is they seem to not promote the individuality of the fighters as much as they use too. And they bash their own stable of fighters for unknown reasons , for instance. A wrestler who could take down any striker and dominate a fight in 2005 was an unstoppable grappler and now he doesn't want to fight. They put out disparaging comments about fighters wanting to negotiate their contracts - when these fighters are not employees , they are contractors. Those comments devalue your business (the contractor ) in turn they have turned the fan base into uneducated fans who believe if they are grappling it's not a fight. And has turned off lots of casuals who have always contended it's not a fight anyway.
You have to promote the fighter , not the event. They don't do that much anymore.
Potato - Zuffa was weeks from selling the company, if the TUF finale wasn't a success. Lucky for them...and I mean lucky like a mothefucker...that two guys who loved to bleed, like Bonnar and Griffin, made it to the finals and captured the Spike casual audience. So it's almost like Zuffa's success is in spite of Dana, because he didn't want to do TUF at all. My question is...where are all of those casuals now?
Zuffa wouldn't have bought Strikeforce, if they didn't see them as somewhat of a threat. They could just as easy let them go belly up, and signed the guys on contract, if Strikeforce was in as bad of shape as you suggest.