Will Canelo go down as the greatest fighter of all time?

[Anek]

@James_III

Though I have heard that some anti-nutrients ( in low doses) are actually good for the gut in some way.

Can’t remember how or why

[burner2274]

When did he go vegan? This must be after he got the tainted cow meat

[James_III]

@Anek

@James_III

Though I have heard that some anti-nutrients ( in low doses) are actually good for the gut in some way.

Can’t remember how or why

Ah yes Hormesis that’s it!

Thanks for posting that I would never of remembered what it was called and why it’s generally good for you!

[steak_and_chicken]

Can’t be GOAT at this point, Mayweather will always be above him. He is undefeated unlike Canelo who has lost more than his record shows, he has had 2 official loses but how many clear loses did he get a win on paper for due to clear corruption in boxing (or hella blind judges)

[PrideWasBetter]

@2buff

Synthetic protein and plant protein don’t absorb well and are trash for building muscle.

Meat provides the best protein to repair muscles and tissues. EVERY bodybuilding pro and strongman competitor eats real food (meat) to get their protein.

Here is a list of vegan athletes that got crushed when they went vegan .

This shows that Canelo is surrounded by YES men and if he continues this vegan nonsense he will get crushed by GGG/Bivol in a rematch. He also got tired in the Bivol match that no one seems to mention. I suspect he got injured in training (vegan diet + muscle recovery) and couldn’t get his cardio up to level but thats just a conspiracy theory on my end.

I do think going Vegan for Canelo was a mistake, but I also don’t think he’s going to lose his power that quickly either just from not eating meat.

Also, In my observation one can maintain muscle with a vegan diet, but buff vegans all built their muscle with meat before going vegan. And all I can think of also use test, atleast.

I could see Canelo cutting down to a lighter weight while going vegan, but trying to pack on size while going vegan moving up to fight Bivol makes no sense

The athletes that do go vegan for periods of time, like Lionel Messi for example, generally do it for stamina.

Canelo is a heavy power puncher moving up in weight. It made 0 sense for him.

I dont know if the veganism had a lot to do with this loss though. Lets look at it this way, do any of you think if Canelo re-incorporated meat, or had what you consider to be the perfect diet period, would he offer anything different for Bivol in a rematch.

[MasterofMartialArts]

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@MasterofMartialArts

@MasterofMartialArts

@Ministry_of_Truth

@The_Lion_King

Boxing is 100% fighting it’s just fighting without kicks, wrestling, knees, etc.

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Something isn’t 100% something else if you include a subtractive statement such as “without”. That’s proof they’re not the same, which negates 100% the same being possible.
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I believe it’s fighting, and that these guys are fighters. They sacrifice everything and dedicate themselves to the art of boxing for a lot of their lives, just like any other fighter. They may not be using literally every human limb but that doesn’t mean they aren’t fighting. MMA and Boxing can coexist and both be “fighting” sports.

If you saw two random dudes going at it on the street but they only threw punches, you would go home and tell your wife “these two dudes were fighting outside the store”. You wouldn’t say they were “boxing” or “competing in a match”. Many people have died from the damage they took in boxing, and many others still living as complete zombies. It’s hard for me to say getting punched in the face for a living and possibly dying from it isn’t fighting.

I didn’t say it’s not fighting.

It’s just not 100% fighting, as even The_Lion_King admitted in his contradictory post. Even MMA isn’t 100% fighting, as there are rules. MMA is certainly far closer to a real fight than boxing is, though.

For something to be 100% fighting there mustn’t be rules. I’m sure that makes sense.

I misunderstood your post. Yeah by those rules there is no sanctioned “fighting”. Agreed on all counts.

Fair. I realized it could be misunderstood. I’ve edited my response to make it even more clear.

Always a pleasure good sir!

[MasterofMartialArts]

Y’all are on some weird ass matrix level nutrition shit. Canelo is a great fighter and he absolutely OWNS 168 right now. Bivol is a bad matchup for him and always will be, regardless of his diet.

[MasterofMartialArts]

@boxy

@The_Lion_King

He’s still got 10 years left and will probably lose more when he goes to cruiserweight and heavyweight.

Canelo isn’t going to cruiser or heavyweight now, lol. There’s not enough horse meat in Mexico to transform that short little guy into a viable boxer at those weight classes.

He chose Bivol because he’s pillow-fisted and not a huge risk. The judges were also paid to gift him 5 rounds. He chose Kovalev because he was old and washed.

You won’t see him facing any real threats. His last real threat was an aging GGG, which he clearly lost to the first time and arguably lost to the second time.

You’re saying he’s not facing any real threats. He fought Bivol, and lost, but he’s not a threat? According to you his only real threat was GGG, and he fought him twice… so he’s not facing real threats? He’s fought plenty of guys who aren’t old and washed. He has recently beat Plant, Smith, BJS, etc… I’m not understanding what you’re getting at.

[2buff]

Big part of training is proper healing and muscle repair.

Rule of thumb is to consume 1g of protein or more per lb of bodyweight.

Absolutely no way Canelo was getting that on a vegan diet, even with the best nutritionists in the world in his corner. As I said earlier, his training camp was probably shit which is why he got tired during the fight. I never seen Canelo gas at all. Maybe in the later rounds, he would have been more active and stole some rounds but who knows?

Canelo has got to stop this silly vegan nonsense.

[Samoa]

Canelo needs to fight in the right division and he’ll keep winning.

[Bobbyolympic]

GGG clearly and obviously beat Canelo in their first fight. GGG arguably won the 2nd fight as well. Mayweather isn’t even in the conversation as GOAT. His style was overly defensive, very frustrating to watch. He also ducked many top boxers who were at their prime. He had several huge ppv events but Many people watched Mayweather fights back in the day to actually see him lose. Me and my friends included. He single handedly ruined boxing for many years. With his running, boring, not engaging in actual fighting style. That’s just the hard truth of the matter. Anyone that disagrees is either dillusional or never followed boxing closely.

[Barry_BondsMVP]

@Bobbyolympic

GGG clearly and obviously beat Canelo in their first fight. GGG arguably won the 2nd fight as well. Mayweather isn’t even in the conversation as GOAT. His style was overly defensive, very frustrating to watch. He also ducked many top boxers who were at their prime. He had several huge ppv events but Many people watched Mayweather fights back in the day to actually see him lose. Me and my friends included. He single handedly ruined boxing for many years. With his running, boring, not engaging in actual fighting style. That’s just the hard truth of the matter. Anyone that disagrees is either dillusional or never followed boxing closely.

[boxy]

Summed up perfectly.

[burner2274]

I always was really impressed with sound defensive guys like Chris Byrd, Mayweather, and Sweet Pea.

With that said, I would prefer every fight be like Ward/Gatti.

[boxy]

Canelo fought GGG when he was already 35 (and 36 in the rematch). And he should have lost both fights. I don’t consider that a win against an A-level boxer in the rematch because he didn’t really win.

He fought Mayweather and lost. Floyd is A-level (and a horrifically boring point boxer), but Canelo lost.

Canelo has beat former A-level type guys who were far out of their prime (Mosley, Cotto, etc). He also defeated a washed up Kovalev who was never A-level. What still-in-their-prime A-level boxer has Canelo beat in his entire career?

He is bouncing around weight classes fighting boxers who aren’t that great to opportunistically grab belts. He tried that against pillow-fisted Bivol and got easily outboxed.

Errol Spence wants Canelo, and I find it interesting that the Mexican isn’t willing to do a 164-lbs catchweight match. Maybe it’s because Spence isn’t old and washed up yet. It would be a huge money fight.

[jpm995]

Don’t want to knock Canelo as he’s a great fighter but Mayweather was better. It’s true Floyd was the biggest ducker in boxing but he eventually beat all challengers. Really there’s only the one fight where the decision was questionable. Floyd ducked guys he could probably beat but was so afraid of a possible loss he ducked. Thats despicable and he should have been stripped of the belt more than once but he’s still undefeated in like 50 fights. As much as i can’t stand him i have to concede he was a great fighter. The best? Possible but by no means certain, my opinion Leonard was better.

[Samoa]

Leonard fought the best in their prime. Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Hagler etc. I think Leonard vs Floyd would look a lot like his fight with Benitez.

[Barry_BondsMVP]

Lol those calling Floyd a ducker. Better come with hard, hard facts.

[youngestgrandpa]

BIVOL VS CANELO - "I WANT HIM TO THROW PUNCHES AT ME"

[dios]

Plus mayweather was close to 40 when he fought Canelo , grandpa in boxing years