Will there ever be another dominant Gracie in MMA?

I think there is a great chance. If you were raised up from a large family who built their reputation on fighting (even if it's just the ground game) you still stand a much better chance than any individual. I don't think it's far fetch to see another fighter with Roger's ground game and decent striking like Diaz or Nogueira.

12SixElbow - 
Wasa-B - 
12SixElbow -  
(and now you can't be an MMA fighter and not know BJJ)
That Russian HW did pretty well without it.

 Which one was that?

I know your dumbass doesn't think Fedor did no BJJ training.



Haha, seems we're back to 90s era BJJ blinders.

Sak being called the Gracie Hunter was also unwarranted.

lmao

Wasa-B -

Haha, seems we're back to 90s era BJJ blinders.

Sak being called the Gracie Hunter was also unwarranted.

lmao


 You can google video's of Fedor working on BJJ.

Also, I was unaware Saku was a modern MMA fighter?
I must have missed that he has been working his way up the ranks lately.

What does You can't be an MMA fighter now and not know BJJ have to do with Saku?

Calhoon -
Who do you think he trained under?


 Google is your friend

12SixElbow - 
Calhoon -
Who do you think he trained under?


 Google is your friend




There's a tuck between your legs too.

12SixElbow - 
Calhoon -
Who do you think he trained under?


 Google is your friend



google can't tell me what is in your head.

12SixElbow -
You can google video's of Fedor working on BJJ.



I repeat: Haha, seems we're back to 90s era BJJ blinders.

 no...as long as they emphasize the gracie way as the only way....

but thats ok...bjj is still the best for the street 1:1

12SixElbow - 
Wasa-B -

Haha, seems we're back to 90s era BJJ blinders.

Sak being called the Gracie Hunter was also unwarranted.

lmao


 You can google video's of Fedor working on BJJ.

Also, I was unaware Saku was a modern MMA fighter?
I must have missed that he has been working his way up the ranks lately.

What does You can't be an MMA fighter now and not know BJJ have to do with Saku?





Fedor did Sambo and Judo he is not a bjj practitioner silly

what happened to rodrigo and crosley, they were looking like top next gen gracies back in pride and shooto back then and then just disappeared?

goku -  no...as long as they emphasize the gracie way as the only way....

but thats ok...bjj is still the best for the street 1:1
Are you sure?

I think it depends on how much time you have to train.

If you are going to devote the hours that a guy like Ryron puts into training then you would be much better off in the streets learning some more advanced clinching techniques and how to strike in addition to your ground fighting skills. (I use the term ground fighting skills, instead of bjj, because to me bjj is as much a philosophy as it is a gathering of techniques and one critical aspect of bjj that used to be taught was to never be in range to exchange strikes)

If you have very little time to learn how to defend yourself though then something like Gracie Combatives is much better.

BJJ does not have a monopoly on ground wrestling and submissions. Surprising to see this myth persists, when everybody knows about Judo and Sambo. These sports are about more than just throws ;)

Jared Vergara -

Fedor did Sambo and Judo he is not a bjj practitioner silly


 I didn't say he was a BJJ guy, but to say he never trained or worked on BJJ is a complete lie.
There is video of it on youtube.

I didn't say every guy had to train in a gi to BB level.
But name a successfull modern MMA fighter who doesn't train in BJJ?
You can't. (There are probably a couple exceptions, but I can't think of any)

Either way, that wasn't the point of this thread.
The point was about Gracies, in Rener's words, they're past the proving phase.

Motivated Penn - BJJ does not have a monopoly on ground wrestling and submissions. Surprising to see this myth persists, when everybody knows about Judo and Sambo. These sports are about more than just throws ;)


 Right.
But what MMA fighters know Judo and Sambo and do no work in BJJ?

What MMA fighters are even Sambo guys? Fedor? who's done plenty of BJJ training.

Judo is obviously more widestread in MMA, but most Judo guys I know of do BJJ as well.


12SixElbow - 
Jared Vergara -

Fedor did Sambo and Judo he is not a bjj practitioner silly


 I didn't say he was a BJJ guy, but to say he never trained or worked on BJJ is a complete lie.
There is video of it on youtube.

I didn't say every guy had to train in a gi to BB level.
But name a successfull modern MMA fighter who doesn't train in BJJ?
You can't. (There are probably a couple exceptions, but I can't think of any)

Either way, that wasn't the point of this thread.
The point was about Gracies, in Rener's words, they're past the proving phase.




What seperates a bjj technique from a Sambo technique to you?

goku -

but thats ok...bjj is still the best for the street 1:1


 I honestly think Judo would be better in the street 1 on 1.

Calhoon -
What seperates a bjj technique from a Sambo technique to you?

I'm well aware he was a Sambo practitioner, if you can't watch a sambo match and BJJ match and tell a difference thats your own problem. Still not sure with how this is relivent to modern MMA fighters having to know BJJ at least without a gi.

Which champs have done zero BJJ training?
Aldo (Black), Cruz (Blue), Henderson (Brown), GSP (Black), Anderson (Black), Jon Jones (Unsure? He does no gi and whatever weird form of Jiu Jitsu Jackson teaches), JDS (Purple or brown?),  Hector Lombard (Black Belt), Askren (Brown belt), etc....

I don't know all the SF and Bellator champs. But you see a pattern here don't you?


 

12SixElbow - 
Jared Vergara -

Fedor did Sambo and Judo he is not a bjj practitioner silly


 I didn't say he was a BJJ guy, but to say he never trained or worked on BJJ is a complete lie.
There is video of it on youtube.

I didn't say every guy had to train in a gi to BB level.
But name a successfull modern MMA fighter who doesn't train in BJJ?
You can't. (There are probably a couple exceptions, but I can't think of any)

Either way, that wasn't the point of this thread.
The point was about Gracies, in Rener's words, they're past the proving phase.




And you do realize that Rener is not the designated speaker for the Gracie's don't you?

There are Gracies who do want to compete.

Calhoon - 
12SixElbow -
 
The point was about Gracies, in Rener's words, they're past the proving phase.


And you do realize that Rener is not the designated speaker for the Gracie's don't you?
There are Gracies who do want to compete.

Of course.
But I think one of the main guys at the main academy explaining where he is coming from is probably relivent to why a lot of Gracies are doing more teaching than fighting, don't you?

There are about a million gracies, and I see a much higher percentage of teachers / trainers than fighters.
So, it seems like Rener might be on to something here, lets wait and see.

 

12SixElbow - 
Motivated Penn - BJJ does not have a monopoly on ground wrestling and submissions. Surprising to see this myth persists, when everybody knows about Judo and Sambo. These sports are about more than just throws ;)


 Right.
But what MMA fighters know Judo and Sambo and do no work in BJJ?




Fedor, Oleg, Zinoviev, Vovchanchin, Suloeve, Semenov, Yoshida, Nakamura, Kosaka, Omigawa?

12SixElbow -What MMA fighters are even Sambo guys? Fedor? who's done plenty of BJJ training.



If you're gonna start calling guys dumbasses and liers and then also insist Fedor has done plenty of BJJ training because you say there is a video on google/youtube that proves it, can you pls show us this video to settle it?