Woodley: Things in Ferguson not going to end well

TeamThundermma - Ok to the dumb asses on here saying he shot an unarmed man or he was mid surrender or just to stupid to find facts let's point out that the officer was attacked by two people, Brown went for the officers gun, if he had gotten do u think he would have fired a warning shot? The officer had a broken orbital bone from the initial attack, when brown attempted to run the officer ordered him to stop and brown ran at the officer, keep in mind browns friend was still a factor at the time. Did the officer know brown didn't have a knife on him? There are many factors involved in this shooting most if not all brought on by browns aggressive behavior. 26 officers killed this year furring routine stops such as this one did anyone riot, or were there any marches or did our president send aids to their funerals. Wake up people a violent person was shot due to his own violent acts. Phone Post 3.0
Someone sent aids to the funeral ? That's fucked up. I bet it was the bad aids. Phone Post 3.0

The vid of the second shooting is pretty damning. The dude stole a couple of sodas and had a steak knife in his hand. He steps up on that verge and all of a sudden the cop starts pumping him full of lead from several metres away. Seriously when two cops can't deal with a kid holding a dinner knife you've got some twisted cops Phone Post 3.0

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trobinson21 - 
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Can't believe so many people are on the cop's side. I don't care if he ran, rushed him, shoplifted, punched him, tried to get the gun, or whatever... there's absolutely ZERO excuse for a police officer to take 10 shots at a person on their knees mid surrender!



 

You should probably use more information than you read on Twitter to come to conclusions in life. It's not the job of the police to fight 6'4" 290 pounders, you and people like you are so quick to mistrust the police, it's your character flaw not theirs, police are just like you and me, if they wanted to kill people we would have thousands of police shootings every year. Phone Post 3.0

Nah. You just pointed out a cowardly cop.
Police officers are not fighters, they should be fit but it's not their job to fight people. Period. Phone Post 3.0

Ya, that's why they are trained in Hand to Hand combat, because they aren't supposed to subdue unarmed people.

Whoa boy.
You have absolutely no experience with law enforcement , obviously. They attend DT training which is basic training. And if you believe a 6'4" 292lb man can't kill you with his hands, you've never been in a fight. My first hand experience with officers I trained with at the county jail was enlightening! I was 6' 225lbs of overweight man. Not muscular , strong though. Very little training , boxing some , no experience in grappling and I could over power many of them that were not training on a regular basis that were smaller and some bigger than me. That being said , 5 months later of me training 4 days a week hard - new 6'5" 280lb former d 1 college lineman came to train and was giving me hell. They are not fighters , are not trained to fight and if you attack an officer and try to disarm him. Expect lethal force. Phone Post 3.0

Not going to?!?! Phone Post 3.0


Kajieme Powell Shooting Video ferguson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx-3TKp90vg

4mins 10 secs in the video -

cuffing a dead man is quite standard operating procedure

WTF is he talking about phone books in your t-shirt? Make up some more rediculous melodramatic BS stories so we can all feel sorry for the guy raised by my tax dollars. Woodley gives us aragraphs about cops harassing people but not one mention of the crime and destruction these "victims" bring to their own community.

As for Furgeson. If the perp tried to grab the cops gun at any point, he turned the altercation into life or death. he was just to dumb to realize he was always going to lose.

lol at the morons that think the 2 videos have any relation to each other besides showing another idiot thinking he's gonna show the police how tough he is.

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The kid broke the cops orbital bone and his eye was hanging out, Brown went for the cops gun, ripped the holster, ad was beating on the cop. He wasn't surrendering. The cop has already been cleared all this will come out its just being withheld in fear of more rioting. I live in STL and know this info from someone I. The department. Phone Post


Except that the "orbital bone" story was debunked...

You know he "went for the cops gun" how?

Oh, "know this info from someone in the department"

Yes, the corrupt, racist police department...no bias there.

You mean this police department?
"Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him."<br /><br />http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

"The office of Missouri’s attorney general concluded in an annual report last year that Ferguson police were twice as likely to arrest African Americans during traffic stops as they were whites."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/even-before-teen-michael-browns-slaying-in-mo-racial-questions-have-hung-over-police/2014/08/13/78b3c5c6-2307-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html?hpid=z2
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason they are being arrested more is because they commit more crimes?


Fuckin white guilt... Phone Post 3.0

"Did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason they are being arrested more is because they commit more crimes?"

Have you ever stopped to think it's just because they're black?

"Last year, Ferguson police searched 12.1 percent of black drivers they stopped, compared to 6.9 percent for whites. Contraband was found 22 percent of the time when the driver was black and 34 percent when the driver was white."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-stops-in-ferguson-what-are-the-numbers/article_012cf751-9cec-5733-8025-09e03abb9d86.html

Santo Amaro -


So lets get this straight. If someone resists arrest shoot to kill?



I would suggest using lethal force if your life is in danger. And that does not mean feeling threatened. That means your life is in danger.



If you feel threatened and want to puss out like a bitch perhaps fire a warning shot or maybe shoot the guy in the foot/leg/arm/ - many things before unloading a clip into someone who you feel "threatened" by. Anyhow I'm outa here... thread should be about how positive Woodley is for MMA and Ferguson not defending violence



 



He shot him like 6 times and he kept coming after him then he shot him in the head. His life was threatened the second he went to grab his gun. If brown intended on just punching him then why try to take his gun? Phone Post 3.0

Sounds like American police standard operating procedure is pretty fucked up.

Never give ground? If the officers had been taught to back up while keeping control of the situation they could have tazered or talked the guy down. By standing their ground they forced the situation where they had to shoot a man advancing on them with a knife.

Now perhaps they would have had to shoot him anyway, but, it seems like there are better ways to handle a situation than the way they did.

As well as this shoot a man whose already gone down is overkill and cuffing a dead body is disrespectful and frankly disgusting.

The two officers did nothing wrong a long the guidelines they have been given, but those guidelines need to be looked at and improved.

Wow. Had to come back in here. Just wow. Firstly some of you have lived sheltered lives. Even here in the UK a well known tactic by cops from London to Dublin is to lay a beating down on you with phone books. It does immense damage you numpties and it leaves no evidence.

Secondly. Woodley stated clearly not to pass judgement till all the facts are out. He also said a whole bunch of other things that you are mostly twisting out of context - he hasn't disagreed with either side of the arguments (except obviously with the racism on here).

Thirdly - of course if a cops life is threatened he can use lethal force. Thats not in dispute by anyone. What is in dispute is that what transpired had any cop worried for their life. As someone has stated, the broken orbital has been debunked by some in the same way others have debunked the guy was surrendering after having done nada. WE HAVE TO WAIT TO KNOW MORE.

As for the community rioting. Woodley said nothing positive about that. He said, as you should all be able to comprehend if you use even a little bit of thought that the situation has been simmering for a long time and is complicated. He also said many from outside had come in.

To suggest that the community has reacted with no provocation is stupid. When we had the riots in London there was a lot of anger and frustration but it was lost in the pandemonium and the desire to loot and burn rather than build. Riots are not a black thing. They are a fucking pissed off thing. Looting is a crowd mind thing (check out studies to do with football hooligans in the 80's).

If you don't actually look at the root causes and instead simplify the situation you perpetuate the problem for generations. The root causes are more complex than cultural reactions or racist cops, they are equally to do with the denial of both  as they are to do with the cultural reasons why surface

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Santo Amaro -


So lets get this straight. If someone resists arrest shoot to kill?



I would suggest using lethal force if your life is in danger. And that does not mean feeling threatened. That means your life is in danger.



If you feel threatened and want to puss out like a bitch perhaps fire a warning shot or maybe shoot the guy in the foot/leg/arm/ - many things before unloading a clip into someone who you feel "threatened" by. Anyhow I'm outa here... thread should be about how positive Woodley is for MMA and Ferguson not defending violence



 



He shot him like 6 times and he kept coming after him then he shot him in the head. His life was threatened the second he went to grab his gun. If brown intended on just punching him then why try to take his gun? Phone Post 3.0

You haven't watched the video. The guy drops after at most the 3rd to 4th shot and then unload into him on the ground. He was also nowhere near to reaching for their guns.

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Santo Amaro -

So lets get this straight. If someone resists arrest shoot to kill?

I would suggest using lethal force if your life is in danger. And that does not mean feeling threatened. That means your life is in danger.

If you feel threatened and want to puss out like a bitch perhaps fire a warning shot or maybe shoot the guy in the foot/leg/arm/ - many things before unloading a clip into someone who you feel "threatened" by. Anyhow I'm outa here... thread should be about how positive Woodley is for MMA and Ferguson not defending violence

 

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Yeah but what are you annoyed about in this thread?

We both know that neither of us know the facts to do with the inciting incident (the killing). We both know a cop is well within his rights to use lethal force if his life is in danger. What people have suggested in this thread (or have been) is that its fine for a cop to use lethal force if someone is resisting arrest but not posing a danger.  I take issue with that in a big way.

It seems to me that many people in here can't empathise very easily. You know - put yourself in someone elses shoes. It solves a lot of problems/disputes relatively quickly. If they could they might understand the initial reaction of the community to the rumour that another young black man had been killed given how the community felt the police handle them. They would also be able to realise that the lack of understanding by the Ferguson police department directly after the incident and its handling of the situation is exactly what let to the escalation of violence and rioting. I am not excusing anything, perhaps the riots would have happened anyway, perhaps not, I am not excusing the rioting OR the badly handled situation on the ground in Ferguson

 

dragoon247 - ZERO excuse to attack a police officer through his patrol car window like a wild animal just because he asked you to stop walking in the middle of the road.

If you actually believe that, than you got to be a 60 year old white woman from Georgia or something. Just eat up all that copaganda

1 thing I have noticed after watching a bunch of these Police/Civilian videos is the civilians set the bar pretty low imo. If a cop says freeze you have to freeze. If they say "stop talking" you stop talking. Instead I see too many people just saying "I didn't do anything wrong. Leave me alone" and resisting.

Unless there is only 1 cop and you can get away, you're not going to be let go once you resist. The cop is going to use more force than you until it eventually ends up with being tazed or tackled by a group of cops. Cops just don't say "well he's resisting but maybe we should just let him go now and not bother." NO they are going to eventually subdue and cuff you.

Yeah there are a bunch of a&$#ole cops out there but if you're cool with them your chances of having no issues is far greater than mouthing off.

Mihow - ""You always hear about it. You got pulled over for not having your seatbelt on. You got pulled over for jaywalking. You got pulled over for going two miles over the speed limit."

what an asshole. same things happen to white people but it happens to a black guy it's profiling. fantastic


hmm. So racial profiling does not exist and Tyrone is the asshole. Okay thanks. 

Strykr619 - 
MisterHawkeMMA - 


Can't believe so many people are on the cop's side. I don't care if he ran, rushed him, shoplifted, punched him, tried to get the gun, or whatever... there's absolutely ZERO excuse for a police officer to take 10 shots at a person on their knees mid surrender!



 


LOL at then shots, Get back to me when a man 6 inches and 60 lbs heavier then you smashes your orbital bone, while he is going for your gun...

Reality check, attack a cop = expect to be shot.


Facts. Lets wait for them. You have no idea what transpired.



 

Mihow - 
Santo Amaro - 
Mihow - ""You always hear about it. You got pulled over for not having your seatbelt on. You got pulled over for jaywalking. You got pulled over for going two miles over the speed limit."

what an asshole. same things happen to white people but it happens to a black guy it's profiling. fantastic


hmm. So racial profiling does not exist and Tyrone is the asshole. Okay thanks. 


You can't read but you can form sentences, awesome!

Please point out where I stated racial profiling does not exist. It should be easy because I wrote 14 words.


In your quote, what he is discribing is racial profiling. He is inferring how obvious it was that it was one thing for one and another thing for another. A sentence needs context. 

Why are people saying we don't know what happened? The video has been posted in this thread.

Santo Amaro - 


So lets get this straight. If someone resists arrest shoot to kill?



I would suggest using lethal force if your life is in danger. And that does not mean feeling threatened. That means your life is in danger.



If you feel threatened and want to puss out like a bitch perhaps fire a warning shot or maybe shoot the guy in the foot/leg/arm/ - many things before unloading a clip into someone who you feel "threatened" by. Anyhow I'm outa here... thread should be about how positive Woodley is for MMA and Ferguson not defending violence



 




Just to put things in context. Most of your probably didn't hear about this because it happened in a small upstate NY town right outside of the hospital I used to work for.

There weren't any racial issues to market either so the news came and went quickly.

Here's what can happen when someone attempts, and succeeds, to grab the gun of an officer:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/officer-shot-killed-crazed-man-snatches-gun-police-article-1.1740921

"An upstate New York police officer was shot and killed by a crazed man who snatched his gun from his holster during a disturbance call Monday morning, according to police.

Johnson City Officer David Smith, 43, was shot multiple times outside an MRI office near Binghamton after a disturbed employee managed to grab his gun just after 7 a.m., said Police Chief Joseph Zikuski.

The married 18-year police veteran, who has an 11-year-old son, had just arrived at Southern Tier Imaging when MRI technician James Clark, 43, wildly ran up to him before punching him several times as he was trying to exit his vehicle, said Zikuski.

During the attack witnesses said Clark managed to somehow grab Smith's weapon and repeatedly open fire until the 40-caliber duty's magazine was spent."


Strykr619 - 
Santo Amaro - 
Strykr619 - 
MisterHawkeMMA - 


Can't believe so many people are on the cop's side. I don't care if he ran, rushed him, shoplifted, punched him, tried to get the gun, or whatever... there's absolutely ZERO excuse for a police officer to take 10 shots at a person on their knees mid surrender!



 


LOL at then shots, Get back to me when a man 6 inches and 60 lbs heavier then you smashes your orbital bone, while he is going for your gun...

Reality check, attack a cop = expect to be shot.


Facts. Lets wait for them. You have no idea what transpired.



 


I will tell you this, The fact that they HAVEN'T rushed to prosecute this guy yet speaks VOLUMES. Oh and the orbital bone fracture was leaked out by nursing staff at the hospital the cop was treated at to the media...

How many times do I have to post this?

THE ORBITAL BONE FRACTURE IS NOT TRUE!

and you can read it here from the liberal site, the Blaze:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/21/cnn-source-ferguson-officer-darren-wilson-unequivocally-did-not-suffer-eye-socket-fracture/