aikido sucks dick
Lol. Show me an aikido guy actually defending against full speed punches that aren't telegraphed (as in where the instructor doesn't say "throw a right cross right here) where the trained boxer is throwing with real bad intentions and I might bite. 
I have experience with both martial arts and you are very wrong. Most Aikido schools do not train aggressively enough to be any good for self defense. Having a person run slowly towards you throwing a roundhouse swing with a ridge hand will probably not prepare you for a street attack. That training is way too passive to prepare someone for a real viscous multiple attack. I have seen some aggressive Aikido / Aikijutsu instructors prepare students for a more real scenario but even in those cases I am not buying the multiple attack thing. Those aggressive schools still focus too much on looping roundhouse punches.
Aikido guys that can use the stuff for real have been training for 15 years or more.
The most useful thing I found Aikido is the wristlocks. I still catch BJJ guys with those in open mat once in a while. Even those are hard to pull off though on someone who is not loose and keeps their arms close.
A BJJ guy will destroy an Aikido guy all day long. I would love to see the Aikido guy who has been training for 5 years take on three people. That is just a joke and the guy would get slaughtered.
Aikido comes from Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu by the way.
Daito Ryu is the best
<blockquote>jerky66 - I have experience with both martial arts and you are very wrong. Most Aikido schools do not train aggressively enough to be any good for self defense. Having a person run slowly towards you throwing a roundhouse swing with a ridge hand will probably not prepare you for a street attack. That training is way too passive to prepare someone for a real viscous multiple attack. I have seen some aggressive Aikido / Aikijutsu instructors prepare students for a more real scenario but even in those cases I am not buying the multiple attack thing. Those aggressive schools still focus too much on looping roundhouse punches.<br /><br />Aikido guys that can use the stuff for real have been training for 15 years or more. <br /><br />The most useful thing I found Aikido is the wristlocks. I still catch BJJ guys with those in open mat once in a while. Even those are hard to pull off though on someone who is not loose and keeps their arms close.<br /><br />A BJJ guy will destroy an Aikido guy all day long. I would love to see the Aikido guy who has been training for 5 years take on three people. That is just a joke and the guy would get slaughtered.<br /><br /><br />Aikido comes from Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu by the way.</blockquote><br /><br />You mention most Aikido schools do not train aggressively enough. I agree and have already stated that ...however there are some that do and I feel those are practicing with proper intent. The multiple attacker scenario ... well I would rather have practiced against two , three , four ...empty handed or mixed with weapons ...doing my best to evade , step off line , fight the center or attacking the edges...but ultimately looking for the retreat spot. The Bjj guy will probably have never practiced this scenario and I believe having practiced against this... the Aikido practitioner has a smaller chance of freezing under this attack.<br /><br />Let's face it , if you are having to fight or protect against an unknown assailant/s then you have already made several "self defense mistakes".<br /><br />And yes Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu is the father of Aikido but JJJ is the grand father as long as we are just keeping this in Japan.<br /><br />You have to remember , Aikido is a self defense art meant to protect and preserve against untrained attackers ..not skilled boxers , mma fighters. This is why we find looping punches ..etc. Aikido has deeper philosophical goals though and these are usually emphasized more in the dojo than the destructive techniques.<br /><br />But I disagree about the art taking 15 yrs + to master .... I can show you how to step off line from an attack and counter attack their dead angle in a matter of minutes...within a few short practices your timing will have increased. The evasion principles are very simple , the foot work maybe a little tricky if you are uncoordinated but it can be learned.<br /><br />Everything said about wrist locks is true.<br />
And concealed carry does solve the majority of these problems :)
canuck34 - Lol. Show me an aikido guy actually defending against full speed punches that aren't telegraphed (as in where the instructor doesn't say "throw a right cross right here) where the trained boxer is throwing with real bad intentions and I might bite. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
You can usually see this in randori (sparring) at your local Aikido dojo ..especially if it's one of quality.
I apologize , somehow by editing a word in the above post -- it chunked it all together and shows the html tags.
VivaLosMuertos - Concealed carry, 40 cal and up trumps all PRACTICAL self defense, so point is mute! <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Unless you're facing an unarmed attacker.
Keith Hackneys Mullet - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM_u-cCSPoA&feature=related
maybe aikido does have something useful. FOR WEAPONS DEFENSE
That video would be a lot better in helping our arguments if the aikidoka were allowed to strike as well as the knife control.
For those that doubt that Aikido has something to offer -- stand at the end of someone's stick and ask yourself ... would it be better if I have practiced against this or no practice at all ? Sticks , knives , bokkens hurt - get out of the way.
I plan to train both aikido and kendo in my later years
Why wait ? Aikido's footwork and hands , it's (on guard stance) all based in swordsmanship. Aikiken is Aikido sword.
In the process of getting my CCL , and I agree there is so much to learn about proper shooting.
Have done the first part , passed the test and the range test. Now waiting for the second part -- receiving mail for the county police/Sheriff.