Weapons , multiple attackers -- much better self defense than singular grappling.
If your mommy didn't hold you enough then go and confront her about it, crying for attention on the internet won't fix your psychological issues.
No , I'm serious. Would love to have a serious discussion. IMO , as a self defense art ..Aikido is better ..or more complete.
I'll bite. BJJ allows you to truly test your skills. Are there such things as Aikido tournaments? (serious question I am ignorant of aikido)
overEZ - I'll bite. BJJ allows you to truly test your skills. Are there such things as Aikido tournaments? (serious question I am ignorant of aikido)
Tomiki Aikido allows for tournaments -- youtube for matches. Jason Delucia who was a UFC competitor and King of Pancrase (very old school mma here) has included Aikido into his MMA arsenal and I would say is successfully using it.
Aikido does allow you to test your skills but this differs from dojo to dojo , teacher and student. Tournament means competition , it's rule bound -- not a true test of self defense. Aikido at least under the founder was meant for non competition , only self defense.
Testing your skills in Randori , multiple attackers ..very fast , and not getting dragged to the ground is a great test of footwork and the skills developed through Aikido. I believe this is missing from BJJ.
Thanks for your question , and I practice both.
does machida use aikido?... since seagal was in his corner?
I don't know , but I would make an assumption that Machida has been introduced to some concepts. His foot work from Karate (tai sabaki) is very similar to some Aikido foot work -- in fact most traditional Japanese/Okinawan have similar foot work.
I would love to know if Seagal Sensei has improved on Machida's entering and blending ...hopefully we'll see.
Aikido has some great techniques and concepts. The problem lies with the way they train but the way they train is because of the dangerous techniques. A chicken and egg problem that can't be solved really.
CyborgRoyce - Aikido has some great techniques and concepts. The problem lies with the way they train but the way they train is because of the dangerous techniques. A chicken and egg problem that can't be solved really.
This boils down to good and bad teachers / good and bad dojos / good and bad partners.
Roy Dean is a good example of someone who is bringing some validity of Aikido to the BJJ world. I believe in a fightworks podcast he said that he would use Aikido for standing and BJJ if it hits the ground.
Easytarget - The tournaments mentioned are a real exception and Tomiki aikido is a minor school.
The techniques are mostly standard JJJ techniques. And there is no realistic delivery system for the techniques.
However it is very complex and a great hobby for many people who see it as an art, id say get judo BB and then train in Aikido.
I would argue that BJJ it's foundations are mostly Judo , which is mostly JJJ. Aikido comes from JJJ same as BJJ. That's their most common roots. How they are expressed is entirely different. A good BJJ sweep , ,which I'll assume you have felt ..is an expression of Aikido principles.
ubermensch -CyborgRoyce - Aikido has some great techniques and concepts. The problem lies with the way they train but the way they train is because of the dangerous techniques. A chicken and egg problem that can't be solved really.
This boils down to good and bad teachers / good and bad dojos / good and bad partners.
Roy Dean is a good example of someone who is bringing some validity of Aikido to the BJJ world. I believe in a fightworks podcast he said that he would use Aikido for standing and BJJ if it hits the ground.
Yeah I'm glad there are guys like Roy Dean. My point is that a lot of the best Aikido techniques are too dangerous to be trained in a sparring kind of environment where the partners are resisting or going full strength (wristlocks, takedowns grabbing the neck). Thus you have to train them gently and in a controlled way. And because training is so gentle, Aikidoka don't have a sense of what combat is like at all and can be quite delusional as to their capabilities.
And the Tomiki competition ruleset is kind of lame. Aikido just doesn't quite translate as well as a combat sport as Judo or BJJ do.
The things I do like about Aikido is the blending of movements, multiple attacker theory work, weapons training (which ties in with its other techniques) and ukemi. No martial arts do those things better than Aikido
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With the exception that Aikido does have striking (called atemi) these are not meant to be used as fight enders ...but sometimes a well place strike does end the conflict. Most Aikido schools seem to hold off on the atemi or not use it at all ..at least not seriously.
I would agree that it is not a complete Martial Art , but it's pretty darn close. Is it a complete self defense ? I would say yes.
Already In Use - "Aikido comes from JJJ"
Aikido came from aikijujitsu.
And aikijujitsu comes from JJJ :)
CyborgRoyce -ubermensch -CyborgRoyce - Aikido has some great techniques and concepts. The problem lies with the way they train but the way they train is because of the dangerous techniques. A chicken and egg problem that can't be solved really.
This boils down to good and bad teachers / good and bad dojos / good and bad partners.
Roy Dean is a good example of someone who is bringing some validity of Aikido to the BJJ world. I believe in a fightworks podcast he said that he would use Aikido for standing and BJJ if it hits the ground.
Yeah I'm glad there are guys like Roy Dean. My point is that a lot of the best Aikido techniques are too dangerous to be trained in a sparring kind of environment where the partners are resisting or going full strength (wristlocks, takedowns grabbing the neck). Thus you have to train them gently and in a controlled way. And because training is so gentle, Aikidoka don't have a sense of what combat is like at all and can be quite delusional as to their capabilities.
And the Tomiki competition ruleset is kind of lame. Aikido just doesn't quite translate as well as a combat sport as Judo or BJJ do.
The things I do like about Aikido is the blending of movements, multiple attacker theory work, weapons training (which ties in with its other techniques) and ukemi. No martial arts do those things better than Aikido
Great post , I agree that Aikido does not translate well as a combat sport. Because it isn't. It's a true self defense art .. there is no first strike. If you're competing in Aikido , you have already lost in a broader philosophical sense.
Fuck Aikido! fuck BJJ!!!
^Blue please
Hey ryans guess what
phenompromos - Hey ryans guess what
Buy my own god-damn blue?
Easytarget -Already In Use - But if you grab a hold of an aikidoka........your ass will get sent flying.
Lots of people think that but i have two good friends who are 2nd and 1st dan and train hard, in hard schools. When we have trained together i grab their gi's and limbs and not much happens in the way of flight. Their technique works against other aikidoka, who consciously or not, react a certain way to the moves.
I train a bit of Judo and those guys are beasts, really can't see anyone twisting their wrists and sending them flying. Once they've gripped up there's no way you could just grab their hand and twist it off.