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bonerfart - I would say 2/3.
I think Nick has gotten to GSP and it will affect him. 
I disagree on the getting to him. I think GSP has goten a lot more Mentally strong. If you heard him on the conference call he sounded very confident.
I have never felt a fight was such a lock as GSP over Nate but I thought that on Lesnar vs Mir and that didnt work out... So...
Why in the world would you think Lesnar was a lock over Mir in his second pro fight?
I still would make that bet.
IMO that was a 1/10 chance. It happened.
I also was talking to people close to Mir at that time and lets just say I was told that was a smart bet.
Can you explain your reasoning? Is there any basis for it, or just the bad "insider info" you were given?
Would you still make that bet without the insider info?
I mean I'm not a gambler, but if I were I'd never beat on anyone in their second pro fight, unless it was a big name prospect vs a can.
Please don't misunderstand. I am not a big gambler. I hope it doesnt come off like I think I am some badass at picking fights.
I will try to answer your question though as best as possible but also I want to be respectful to Mir.
If you go back at that time and you look at Mir his UFC record was something like 10 wins and 4 losses ?
Mir was just coming back from that horrible accident and his comeback record was 2-2 with loses to Brandon Vera and Marcio cruz and non impressive (IMO) win over Anthony Hardonk and a submission victory over Christianson.
So at the same time Lesnar had just signed a MONSTER deal with the UFC and I believe still has the highest PPV buys ever for a sporting event.
I thought there was NO WAY NO WAY the UFC would give him a opponent that was anything other then a stepping stone. This was going to be the UFC's cash cow. I also believed at the time this was going to be Mir's swan song and he was going to go back to commentating.
And that was also the impression I got from people close to Mir.
If you watch that fight again you will see Lesnar absolutely was crushing him and just got caught. It happens. I believe it was that 1/10 chance. Look at the odds on that fight. I was not alone in believing Mir had a very very small chance to win.
That was my reasoning. What the hell do I know. I probably let to many factors outside of the fight itself make my decision.
But I don't think it was a bad bet.
You said "if I were I'd never beat on anyone in their second pro fight, unless it was a big name prospect vs a can."
I thought at that time that was the case and I would never call Mir a can but he was definately not looking like a top contender at that time.
so you are saying the UFC sets up easy fights for their money maker champions..
I wouldnt say they setup easy fights but it would have been really stupid to give his first fight in the ufc against a top 10 fighter. Mir definately was not a top 10 fighter at that time.
Man that was a HUGE investment. When else have you seen the UFC pay this kind of money to a guy for the first fight?
Shit is 2nd MMA fight (and first in the UFC) he got paid 250k (to show). His 2-3 fights he got 400k.
I feel like I am digging myself into a deeper hole....
Shoemoney what are you working on these days? I read your book a while back, it was a great read.
insomnia - Shoemoney what are you working on these days? I read your book a while back, it was a great read.
Hey man thanks! Earlier last year I started a new company that does customer aquisition and retention through email and social media ( http://www.parprogram.com ).
I got a little distracted with that with the shoeinmoney.com product but that launch is over and it is on auto piolet on clickbank.
The book was also pretty distracting but I have been wanting to write it for like 5 years so I am glad that got done finally.
I am super focused now on this new company and growing it at a good pace. We are hiring 20 people this month client/sales if you know any good people with internet marketing experience send em my way.
bonerfart -
Shoemoney,
Yeah I listened to the whole call yesterday.
My thought on why i think Nick got to him was the way GSP started to respond at the end of the interview..."uneducated fool"...etc.
GSP is usually well collected, doesn't get flustered etc. Its unusual for him to respond like that.
Ya your right. I do agree George sounded a little ruffled there but I attributed that to the fact Diaz never let him get a word in.
I love how Diaz keeps it real. That guy is who he is no act there and nobody coaching him on what not to say.
At first I thought he was going to be chill and not cuss and stuff....... but that changed drastically.
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bonerfart - I would say 2/3.
I think Nick has gotten to GSP and it will affect him.
I disagree on the getting to him. I think GSP has goten a lot more Mentally strong. If you heard him on the conference call he sounded very confident.
I have never felt a fight was such a lock as GSP over Nate but I thought that on Lesnar vs Mir and that didnt work out... So...
Why in the world would you think Lesnar was a lock over Mir in his second pro fight?
I still would make that bet.
IMO that was a 1/10 chance. It happened.
I also was talking to people close to Mir at that time and lets just say I was told that was a smart bet.
Can you explain your reasoning? Is there any basis for it, or just the bad "insider info" you were given?
Would you still make that bet without the insider info?
I mean I'm not a gambler, but if I were I'd never beat on anyone in their second pro fight, unless it was a big name prospect vs a can.
Please don't misunderstand. I am not a big gambler. I hope it doesnt come off like I think I am some badass at picking fights.
I will try to answer your question though as best as possible but also I want to be respectful to Mir.
If you go back at that time and you look at Mir his UFC record was something like 10 wins and 4 losses ?
Mir was just coming back from that horrible accident and his comeback record was 2-2 with loses to Brandon Vera and Marcio cruz and non impressive (IMO) win over Anthony Hardonk and a submission victory over Christianson.
So at the same time Lesnar had just signed a MONSTER deal with the UFC and I believe still has the highest PPV buys ever for a sporting event.
I thought there was NO WAY NO WAY the UFC would give him a opponent that was anything other then a stepping stone. This was going to be the UFC's cash cow. I also believed at the time this was going to be Mir's swan song and he was going to go back to commentating.
And that was also the impression I got from people close to Mir.
If you watch that fight again you will see Lesnar absolutely was crushing him and just got caught. It happens. I believe it was that 1/10 chance. Look at the odds on that fight. I was not alone in believing Mir had a very very small chance to win.
That was my reasoning. What the hell do I know. I probably let to many factors outside of the fight itself make my decision.
But I don't think it was a bad bet.
You said "if I were I'd never beat on anyone in their second pro fight, unless it was a big name prospect vs a can."
I thought at that time that was the case and I would never call Mir a can but he was definately not looking like a top contender at that time.
so you are saying the UFC sets up easy fights for their money maker champions..
I wouldnt say they setup easy fights but it would have been really stupid to give his first fight in the ufc against a top 10 fighter. Mir definately was not a top 10 fighter at that time.
Man that was a HUGE investment. When else have you seen the UFC pay this kind of money to a guy for the first fight?
Shit is 2nd MMA fight (and first in the UFC) he got paid 250k (to show). His 2-3 fights he got 400k.
I feel like I am digging myself into a deeper hole....
I was just pressing your buttons. I understood where you were coming from after your first explanation.
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insomnia - Shoemoney what are you working on these days? I read your book a while back, it was a great read.
Hey man thanks! Earlier last year I started a new company that does customer aquisition and retention through email and social media ( http://www.parprogram.com ).
I got a little distracted with that with the shoeinmoney.com product but that launch is over and it is on auto piolet on clickbank.
The book was also pretty distracting but I have been wanting to write it for like 5 years so I am glad that got done finally.
I am super focused now on this new company and growing it at a good pace. We are hiring 20 people this month client/sales if you know any good people with internet marketing experience send em my way.
Awesome. Have you considered getting into mobile acquisition? I'm getting paid $2-3 per install for fullscreen interstitials (eCPM of $2-3).
So I decided to just make single beta on big rig and gsp. And had a friend bet then in Vegas. Better odds in my favor on gsp.
Burger I do feel will win but being he is a hometown guy I dunno that might be influencing me more.
Thanks everyone for input. 
God damnit why did i let you guys talk me out of this =(