Gate fee?
General overhead? 
Sorry I meant site fee.
Jason -
"So that's $793,870 remaining profit-ON JUST THE LIVE GATE ALONE."
So they don't have to pay thier employees, pay for the flight, hotel, insurance, pay the venue.
I am not saying the UFC isn't making plenty of money but to just call live gate - fighter pay, net profit is ludicrous
I know there are things to account for, many of the things you listed, I acknowledged in the OP such as insurance, flight, employees, hotel, venue.
I am open to the estimates of expenses that I either didn't mention or that people think I am off on.
Since we're going off estimates, I'd want the highest estimates regarding their expenses, so we can get a ballpark idea of how much UFC is bringing in after the high estimate expenses. I still think it will show there is room to pay the fighters more.
d241, i like you bro, but this entire thread is a gigantic facepalm. go back to the tournament thread and troll son
By all means lmbb, I'm open to hear suggestions of areas that could be more accurate or accounted for.
I'm not saying how it is, I'm sharing my simple interpretation of it open to corrections as I'm sure there are some.
It's unconscionable, and we need to put our money where are thoughts are.
Join the movement:
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/2291677/Join-me-and-pay-the-fighters-directly/?&page=1
Jason -You must not have read the entire post. Good job
"So that's $793,870 remaining profit-ON JUST THE LIVE GATE ALONE."
So they don't have to pay thier employees, pay for the flight, hotel, insurance, pay the venue.
I am not saying the UFC isn't making plenty of money but to just call live gate - fighter pay, net profit is ludicrous
The thing is, if there was someone high up in Zuffa that knew some of my expense figures are underestimated, they still wouldn't acknowledge it. B/c then they'd have to acknowledge the extra money their making and how there's not enough to give more to the fighters.
Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?
D241 -
Reason for my 350k buys is because
UFC 157 Estimated at 500,000 PPV Buys, Cements Ronda Rousey as UFC Star
Ronda did that against Carmouch. Ronda has since coached Tuf, and finished Miesha again.
Stu Cazzo-I've suggested you put me on ignore b/c all you do is follow my threads and just be an obnoxious dick.
What you haven't thought about, is others will recognize this trend from you and it only makes you just that-an obnoxious dick. I know you'll continue to not contribute to this forum and instead find ways to insult or make personal attacks on someone like me who does try to contribute.
You have issues man. You can't let things go. Instead of adding to the discussions, you take away from it. Go play out in traffic boy.
Says the guy who kept a LOG of Orcus threads and posts for years and befriended a UGER on FB for a year just to treat him like shit, then publicly admitted it.
I am not sure when you went from guy with an opinion to borderline personality troll with malicious intent but you should really check yourself before making posts like this and remember that you're only here because lnpninja didn't tell the mods about your.little stalking fetish.
Threads like this are exercises in futility and generally only serve to allow people to justify why they feel either a) fighters are getting paid an appropriate amount, or b) fighters are getting robbed by dark overlord Dana White.
If you find it personally entertaining to make up numbers and guestimate the financials of a complex and large corporation like Zuffa, more power to you.
On the other hand, it is literally impossible to come to any reliable conclusion on whether or not Zuffa has a bunch of money stashed away that should be going to fighters because the amount of information anyone on this forum has about Zuffa's financials is on average going to be about as close to zero as you can get.
I will never understand these threads. If fighters feel they are getting underpaid they need to step up and do something about it. I too believe that Pat got underpaid but obviously it didn't matter to him.
D241 -
By all means lmbb, I'm open to hear suggestions of areas that could be more accurate or accounted for.
I'm not saying how it is, I'm sharing my simple interpretation of it open to corrections as I'm sure there are some.
the simple answer is we can't know and that's that. the ufc makes money from tickets, ppv buys, sponsors, video game sales, tv licensing, dvd sales, ufc.tv sales, and probably a lot more places. the pay out fighter salaries, employee (camera men, commentators, mmalogic interns, secretaries, dvd production, poster makers, website guys, insurance companies, doctors, etc) salaries, medical expenses, advertising, venue rental, etc.
it doesn't matter, it is market driven. the consumer ultimately decides how much fighters make. as long as X people are willing to pay $60 for a ppv, buy merch, etc, the ufc will continue to see their income stay what it is. as long as fighters are willing to fight for what they are making then fighter pay will stay what it is. the fighters aren't going to not fight and they going anywhere because there is no place to go. what are they going to do, accept some I.O.U.s written on a titty bar napkin from bjorn rebney? the way for fighters to make more money is for the sport to get bigger or put themselves in a position like gil melendez did by being worth keeping. you cant unionize a sport like this or itll be disastrous for everyone (fans included).
Until a Zuffa accountant comes on here and provides us with the UFC's financials, this thread is 100% useless.
Let me bang bro -Exactly. Perfect point about Gil. Fans do not "directly" control how much fighters make. And they never will. The fighters are the only ones who can make a change. Either individually, like Gil, or by joining together to form a union.D241 -
By all means lmbb, I'm open to hear suggestions of areas that could be more accurate or accounted for.
I'm not saying how it is, I'm sharing my simple interpretation of it open to corrections as I'm sure there are some.
the simple answer is we can't know and that's that. the ufc makes money from tickets, ppv buys, sponsors, video game sales, tv licensing, dvd sales, ufc.tv sales, and probably a lot more places. the pay out fighter salaries, employee (camera men, commentators, mmalogic interns, secretaries, dvd production, poster makers, website guys, insurance companies, doctors, etc) salaries, medical expenses, advertising, venue rental, etc.
it doesn't matter, it is market driven. the consumer ultimately decides how much fighters make. as long as X people are willing to pay $60 for a ppv, buy merch, etc, the ufc will continue to see their income stay what it is. as long as fighters are willing to fight for what they are making then fighter pay will stay what it is. the fighters aren't going to not fight and they going anywhere because there is no place to go. what are they going to do, accept some I.O.U.s written on a titty bar napkin from bjorn rebney? the way for fighters to make more money is for the sport to get bigger or put themselves in a position like gil melendez did by being worth keeping. you cant unionize a sport like this or itll be disastrous for everyone (fans included).
Herring In A Fur Coat -D241 -
I'd like to know if anyone has any solid information or confirmation on how much UFC makes off ppv's.
I'd also be interested in an accurate figure on how much it cost for fighters to be insured per event, hotel stay, flights, food, per diem, etc....
I believe that PPV revenue is split approximately 50/50 between the content provider (UFC) and service provider (your cable or satellite company) - so roughly $27.50 per buy.
Don't know about any of the other stuff...
Seems like the UFC pays out between 3-12 of those dollars to the fighters who get points depending on how many are on the card, and how many buys the event does as well.
you can't effectively unionize an individual contract sport. why do you think there is no professional boxing, tennis or golf union? you really think the guys that matter (sell ppv and already make good money) are going to jump on that bandwagon so pat cummins can make 25k/25k for his debut? you either swim by yourself or you sink by yourself in this sport inside the cage and outside of it. don't like it?, go to college and get a regular job.
Excellent reply Lmbb. You remind me so much of Calo. Capable of cracking funny ass jokes with certain post, and those same post big time pissing off other members, and ocassionally you drop knowledge that shows you've got an educated opinion.
Anyways, I agree that there are too many variables to fully know the exact amounts, but I like to get a ballpark figure based on a collective educated guess, and go from there.
If threads like this open the eyes of newer fans who don't realize just how much Zuffa/UFC makes and how little guys get paid, then purpose=served.
D241 -
Excellent reply Lmbb. You remind me so much of Calo. Capable of cracking funny ass jokes with certain post, and those same post big time pissing off other members, and ocassionally you drop knowledge that shows you've got an educated opinion.
Anyways, I agree that there are too many variables to fully know the exact amounts, but I like to get a ballpark figure based on a collective educated guess, and go from there.
If threads like this open the eyes of newer fans who don't realize just how much Zuffa/UFC makes and how little guys get paid, then purpose=served.
while a noble endeavour, we also have no way of knowing how much the fighters make because of the undisclosed bonuses. honestly, all we know is that there aren't many, if any current fighters complaining the slightest about their compensation. the ones who have said something about it, ian mccall, sean mccorkle, both had favorable remarks and neither of them are at the top of the payscale. given that the only possible glimpse we have into the pay system is not suggestive of an unreasonable arrangement, i just don't think there is much meat on this bone... sorry
But dana's kids need snow. He's a bosnian and wants them to have the same experiences of a white christmas. How insensitive of you OP!