Now that leaves $943,870 left over from the live gate, I'd GUESS the prelim fighters total payout is at most 150k(I think I'm being more than generous)
So that's $793,870 remaining profit-ON JUST THE LIVE GATE ALONE.
Now the real money maker is PPV buys. Take into account how much it cost to set up the event, hotel, food, flight, etc....., I'm sure the remaining live gate amount more than covers those expenses.
350k ppv buys would be a low estimate. Not knowing how much UFC makes off every ppv ordered, I'd think it's Fair to guess UFC makes at LEAST $30 for ever ppv purchased.
IF UFC makes AT LEAST $30 for every ppv, that's an additional TEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON PPV PURCHASES!!!!
Why are co main fighters getting paid 8k again?
Oh, and I forgot to take into account UFC making significant coin on sponsorship deals as well.
Plus the fox deal, UFC is banking on the fighters that's forsure. With bellator trying to make deals I see the pay going up for alot of re agents, looks like bellator is great for the sport and they now have my support
These questions are very good ones that will never be answered, unless somebody from inside zuffa comes in and breaks it all down. I'd assume they are not letting the numbers out for a good reason (to them). Does anybody really think the fighters are getting anywhere near what they should?
Wow, so I was fairly close to the ppv cut guessing $30. Although I was close, I thought for sure I was being generous, looks like I over estimated.
If 170 did the low end on ppv buys at 350k buys, at $27.50 a buy, that's $9,625,000 they made.
Imagine if UFC only kept 8 million 625,000 of that and used an extra million on the fighters. That'd go a long way, for the fighters, but that wouldn't leave much tipping money for Dana, not to mention the snowy driveway in Las Vegas. Can't forget about the snow.
So that's $793,870 remaining profit-ON JUST THE LIVE GATE ALONE.
They get the venue and all the workers for free?
D241 -
$1,558,870 made in just the live gate alone
$615,000 paid out to 10 main event fighters.
Now that leaves $943,870 left over from the live gate, I'd GUESS the prelim fighters total payout is at most 150k(I think I'm being more than generous)
So that's$793,870 remaining profit-ON JUST THE LIVE GATE ALONE.
Now the real money maker is PPV buys. Take into account how much it cost to set up the event, hotel, food, flight, etc....., I'm sure the remaining live gate amount more than covers those expenses.
350k ppv buys would be a low estimate. Not knowing how much UFC makes off every ppv ordered, I'd think it's Fair to guess UFC makes at LEAST $30 for ever ppv purchased.
IF UFC makes AT LEAST $30 for every ppv, that's an additionalTEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON PPV PURCHASES!!!!
Why are co main fighters getting paid 8k again?
Oh, and I forgot to take into account UFC making significant coin on sponsorship deals as well.
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I re-bolded my post b/c I think you missed something.
UFC 157 Estimated at 500,000 PPV Buys, Cements Ronda Rousey as UFC Star
Ronda did that against Carmouch. Ronda has since coached Tuf, and finished Miesha again.
Stu Cazzo-I've suggested you put me on ignore b/c all you do is follow my threads and just be an obnoxious dick.
What you haven't thought about, is others will recognize this trend from you and it only makes you just that-an obnoxious dick. I know you'll continue to not contribute to this forum and instead find ways to insult or make personal attacks on someone like me who does try to contribute.
You have issues man. You can't let things go. Instead of adding to the discussions, you take away from it. Go play out in traffic boy.
I would presume the UFC has a set budget for 2014, and a % of each event's revenues get shuttled into respective areas of the organization to fund specific set goals and initiatives. That is, I imagine that most, if not all of this money is already allocated to specific departments within the company. While you are making a better attempt than most to try and justify better pay to fighters based on numbers alone, I think you are still oversimplifying things. What about things like:
- Payment to vendor to put on event (you mentioned, I know) - funding employee salaries and health plans (non fighters) - PR, litigation, lobbying - advertising, merchandising, brand development - global expansion, overseas development - charity work - taxes (does anyone actually know how much and on what the UFC is taxed each year? I suspect not).
And I am certain there are a helluva lot more expenditures out there that are not discussed.
Myopic financial analyses aside..at the end of the day, should any fighter competing at the highest echelon of the sport be getting 8/8? I think most would agree with you that no, they should not for the most part. But with all things, there are scenarios that might merit exceptions to that, particularly those that might put the company at risk.
So that's $793,870 remaining profit-ON JUST THE LIVE GATE ALONE.
They get the venue and all the workers for free?
Beat me to it.
lol @ UG business majors
In Vegas, I wouldn't be surprised. When Mayweather fights, not only does he not pay for the venue, but he makes all the profits from concession sales as well.
You have to think, by giving the UFC the venue for free, Mandalay or MGM get 15K people to their casino on a Saturday night, thousands on Friday for weigh ins, and many come early or stay late. These people rent rooms, spend money in restaurants/bars, attend shows, and most of all gamble.
Uchi - I would presume the UFC has a set budget for 2014, and a % of each event's revenues get shuttled into respective areas of the organization to fund specific set goals and initiatives. That is, I imagine that most, if not all of this money is already allocated to specific departments within the company. While you are making a better attempt than most to try and justify better pay to fighters based on numbers alone, I think you are still oversimplifying things. What about things like:
- Payment to vendor to put on event (you mentioned, I know) - funding employee salaries and health plans (non fighters) - PR, litigation, lobbying - advertising, merchandising, brand development - global expansion, overseas development - charity work - taxes (does anyone actually know how much and on what the UFC is taxed each year? I suspect not).
And I am certain there are a helluva lot more expenditures out there that are not discussed.
Myopic financial analyses aside..at the end of the day, should any fighter competing at the highest echelon of the sport be getting 8/8? I think most would agree with you that no, they should not for the most part. But with all things, there are scenarios that might merit exceptions to that, particularly those that might put the company at risk.
What? There's more to it than just subtracting payroll (not actual numbers) from money (live gate) that isn't profit?
I'll come back to this thread after I finish 3rd grade.
Why you cannot ever put any substance to a Stu Cazzo post-
It's because he obsessed with just trying to throw insults, NEVER carries on a debate at the topic at hand.
His m.o is to jump into my thread, find where he can make a quick insult, and dip out.
But don't just take my word for it, here are examples of him stalking my threads doing exactly as I stated above:
Stu Cazzo -" ........but what I know, is you will still follow me and post your bullshit in my threads, even without me interacting with you. You'll dwell one one thread or topic from me, and try to dissuade others from whatever the current topic at hand is........."
Why would you even care about that?
Wait....aren't you that one idiot who keeps bumping his own thread about another poster here?
Yep...it's you.
Take your own advice and shove it up your dickhole.
Stu Cazzo - You're incapable of this somehow cowgirl? Strap on them boots sugartits...
Stu Cazzo - This is Kazja 13 right?
lol @ OP and epic priorities
Stu Cazzo - Look at what this asshole has to say now...
If this site sucks so much then why do you get the fuck off it kid?
Stu Cazzo - Did you type this in the OP?
"or ANY MMA Legend/Champion/contender/Gatekeeper/fighter except for"
Time to change the tampon D241 - Orcus is right
Stu Cazzo -
D241 - Kirik-I just want to clarify with you that you understand what you quoted was not something I wrote. That was a pm to me from someone else that I shared.
Do you have autism of some kind?
You've said 50 times that you copy and pasted this waste of time...
1st off - BJ is one of my favorite fighters - so get this not impressed shit out of here.
2nd - I mentioned JBJ and JDS very early in this thread.
JBJ has fought many knockout artists - Shogun, Rampage, Vitor, Machida, Evans - and was never in trouble except for an armbar attempt
JDS - Carwin, Cain, Yvel, Nelson, Mir, Mirko - never in trouble
I think it's pretty fair to say that both have fought heavy hitters.
See, when you're not coming to just flame or have personal attacks on me, you can add to the discussion.
I agree with you Stu in that both have fought heavy hitters. And obviously the ones you have mentioned, JDS and JBJ, have never been dropped. The thing is though, the premise of this thread, is when you compare BJ against ANYone, I don't see anyone topping BJ, at least yet. JBJ and JDS of course have time to prove themselves in a lengthy career of getting tested as BJ has, and as you said it's "fair" to say they have both fought heavy hitters, however I ask you this....
Do you compare BJ's career accomplishment of never getting dropped to JDS and JBJ never being dropped?
B/c I think the 2 you mentioned, may be next in line as far as who is next to compare to BJ, however I don't think they are there yet.
Stu Cazzo - ???
You suck your own cock a lot on this forum....
Stu Cazzo - Aren't you the asshole that ripped the lighter weight divisions because of their size?
Your opinion is shit...
Stu Cazzo - Man... You're the Patron Saint of the Split Cunt Hair.
It's funny, anytime I make threads that point out how UFC takes advantage of their paying customers, Stu Cazzo ALWAYS comes and white knights for Zuffa.
If we have a UG Zuffa Schill list, this dude DEFINITELY needs to be added.
Who gets bent out of shape cursing at other forum members on a topic like this? Schill, schill, schill away, but fans will start to stream.....marrily marrily marrily marrily, amazing fight by Reem.
Who are you....besides somebody I disagree with?
Stu Cazzo - Yeah...
This guy needs a new tampon apparently
Stu Cazzo - This guy doesn't know what he's talking about and it's clear that he has never been in a fight in his life besides on a keyboard.
Stu Cazzo - Take that finishing ratio cop-out and stick it up your dickhole.
Uchi - I would presume the UFC has a set budget for 2014, and a % of each event's revenues get shuttled into respective areas of the organization to fund specific set goals and initiatives. That is, I imagine that most, if not all of this money is already allocated to specific departments within the company. While you are making a better attempt than most to try and justify better pay to fighters based on numbers alone, I think you are still oversimplifying things. What about things like:
- Payment to vendor to put on event (you mentioned, I know) - funding employee salaries and health plans (non fighters) - PR, litigation, lobbying - advertising, merchandising, brand development - global expansion, overseas development - charity work - taxes (does anyone actually know how much and on what the UFC is taxed each year? I suspect not).
And I am certain there are a helluva lot more expenditures out there that are not discussed.
Myopic financial analyses aside..at the end of the day, should any fighter competing at the highest echelon of the sport be getting 8/8? I think most would agree with you that no, they should not for the most part. But with all things, there are scenarios that might merit exceptions to that, particularly those that might put the company at risk.
Good post Uchi.
And yes you completely understood the premise of this thread-which is to point out UFC HAS THE MEANS to pay fighters more. As far as how much? That is what I am unsure of and would like to get a better understanding of.
I am in no way suggesting my breakdown in the OP is accurate. I know it's not, which is why I'm asking for input like yours.
Good bring ups regarding taxes, advertisements(i group global expansion in this category), litigation.
I'd be interested in your breakdown via estimates of the expenses I covered and the expenses I didn't mention that you did.
Don't worry, I won't Stu Cazzo you, I'm open to be educated and discuss this without insults.
