Standing count is for boxing this should not even be considered for an MMA event. This will hurt a fighter's finishing ability because you have to know we you have your oppenent hurt so you can follow up and finish the fight.
What if I connect a huge punch staggering my opponent then I thai clinch knee and follow him to the ground when he goes down to finish is there a standign 8 count here???
^^See makes no sense to me and i just wrote it
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The Ohio Athletic Commision has set an amazing precedent for Amateur MMA and imho it's by far the best set of rules for amateur mma in the country.
I am glad you found this thread. Who wrote the USKBA(and thereby New Jersey) rules ? From the limited information I can find the authors are stand up fighters and trainers.The commission (actually one person) in Georgia has used NJ and USKBA to develop a new set of rules, I want to know
1-what qualifications did the authors have
2-how's it working
3-what other states use uskba rules?
thanks!
I have said it before and I will say it again.... changing the rules will only force amateurs to go pro before they are really ready.
Peace-
Cam
There is unfortunately a good deal of mis-information in this thread so maybe I can clarify a few things
The difference between USKBA amateur MMA rules and professional rules are
The following are NOT part of the USKBA rules;
1. Standing 8 counts
2. Bans on leg kicks
The no head kick rule actually originated in Ohio! They cited events that did not have shin guards as dangersou should someone "take a shin to the head". NJ adopted that rule from the Ohio precedent, it was NOT part of the USKBA rules. It has been argued (unsuccssfully) to bring back head kicks since shin guards are worn...
Love, hate it, lose sleep over it, the reality is that amateur MMA was illegal in NJ until these rules were adopted. Specifically, the no head strikes and 10 count rules were what convinced them to allow people to compete without having to pay $400 to $600 in medicals.
There are a TON of shows in NJ, sanctioned by the athletic control board, Nick Lembo, Larry Hazard, and all of them, GREAT GUYS who have supported our sport and continue to support it.
The rules have also been adopted by the Mohegan Sun Athletic Commission in CT...
"I have said it before and I will say it again.... changing the rules will only force amateurs to go pro before they are really ready.
Peace- Cam "
I for one will probably be one of these amateurs. Definitely not a fan of the standing 8 count and no strikes to the head.
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there is no standing 8 count.....
I stand corrected...anyways this is what I found from the USKBA site:
LEGAL TECHNIQUES WHILE STANDING
· Closed hand strikes to head and body
· Kicking techniques
· Knees to body and legs
· Throws/Takedowns/Sweeps
· Standing Submissions
· Chokes
· Armbars
· Shouldering
LEGAL TECHNIQUES WHILE ON THE GROUND
· Closed hand strikes to body and legs
· Submissions (chokes, armbars, straight leg locks ONLY)
ILLEGAL TECHNIQUES WHILE STANDING
· Elbows
· Knees to head
· Kicks to knees
· Stomps on feet
· Groin strikes
· Hitting back of head
· Spine strikes
· Slamming
· Throws onto head or neck
· Throws against a joint
· Throwing out of competition area
· Neck cranks
· Holding ropes
· Pinching, biting, gouging, and any "dirty fighting"
ILLEGAL TECHNIQUES WHILE ON GROUND
· Any striking to head
· Elbows
· Neck cranks
· Heel hooks
· Finger locks
· Toe locks
· Choking with hand on throat
· Smothering (hand over mouth)
· Spine locks
· Hammer locks
· Fish hooks
· Groin strikes
· Spine strikes
· Slamming
· Throwing out of competition area
· Pinching, biting, gouging, and any "dirty fighting"
ADDITIONAL ITEMS
· If punch or kick causes a knockdown, the action will NOT continue. The standing fighter will not continue to attack. Instead, the referee will begin a 10 count. The standing fighter must go to a neutral corner during the count.
· No Vaseline on the body.
VARIATIONS TO RULES BASED ON STATE ATHLETIC COMMISSIONS
NEW JERSEY
- No kicking to head either on the ground or while standing
- No shoes
- No metal zippers
- No shirts (females excluded)
- Fighters must be affiliated with a studio
In order to compete in Amateur MMA in New Jersey, under the guidelines established by the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board, you must provide the following:
OHIO
A moratorium on all MMA is currently in effect in Ohio while the Ohio Athletic Commission establishes certain criteria regarding MMA. Although already scheduled events will take place, no new events can be scheduled until this moratorium is lifted.
No hammerlocks?!??!?1
I called the 10 second rule a standing 8 count - my bad. Still, it's a "standing count"
Throughout history any group of people that has freedoms taken away have responded angrily. NJ had no am MMA , new rues are great. Georgia has am MMA, we are resisting any restrictions on what we have become accustomed to.
Imagine telling Americans we have a nationwide midnight curfew...no way.
Now, tell some town that was ran by a warlord in Afghanistan that they are allowed out 2 hours past dark! WOW, HOW COOL!
So, changes are coming. What about allowing a fighter to assume a side mount after the "knockdown + 10 seconds?" It's not what I want but at least the downed fighter has to contnue from a "downed" position
Just an idea.
We have 30 days to influence the commission and the outcome will effect MMA as long as we have it in Georgia.
I fought at Ken's last show and I saw no problems with the current rules from a fighter's standpoint. Nor have I seen any thing that would constitute changing the format for amateur mma from any of the events that I witnessed as a fan. Why should the rules be changed because there are only minor differences between pro and amateur mma right now? No body is forcing the fighters to fight for nothing.
"The no head kick rule actually originated in Ohio! They cited events that did not have shin guards as dangersou should someone "take a shin to the head". NJ adopted that rule from the Ohio precedent, it was NOT part of the USKBA rules. It has been argued (unsuccssfully) to bring back head kicks since shin guards are worn... "
This came from Ohio KICKBOXING rules, not amateur MMA.
as for Ohio's "moratorium" that lasted about 1 month and was resolved.
"This came from Ohio KICKBOXING rules, not amateur MMA"
I don't see your point? The rule did originate in Ohio, this doesn't contradict what I wrote.
Also, my post had nothing to do with the "moratorium"????
(edited for clarity)
"I don't see your point? The rule did originate in Ohio, this doesn't contradict what I wrote."
But your contest for bringing it up confuses the issue. We we talking about amateur mma, and why there were shin guards in it. You said "Ohio...." but the truth is that your reference was from another sport. so while it wasn;t contradictory, it was just confusing the issue.
That was my point David.
"Also, my post had nothing to do with the "moratorium"????"
Correct, as I was referring to dragoon's post on this subject.
fwiw: as a fighter and coach I think that the notion of amateur fighters wearing shin guards is ridiculous, expecially when the rationale given is that you can allow head kicks with them on. As we all know the gear hampers grappling (esp. guard work) which is much more common than the likely hood of head kicks at amateur levels.
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I've competed in a couple of the USKBA MMA shows. As it was explained to me(I could be wrong), A Kimura type lock was OK, but actually trying to get the guys hand to touch the back of his own head would not be permitted.
Again,I might have a bad memory on this, but i'm pretty sure that's how it went in the rules meetings.
"I've competed in a couple of the USKBA MMA shows. As it was explained to me(I could be wrong), A Kimura type lock was OK, but actually trying to get the guys hand to touch the back of his own head would not be permitted."
That isn't that bad, but the rule still feels a little silly to me. That isn't a particularly dangerous lock even when the hand is cranked to the back of the head. You'd be hard pressed to find a grappling tournament that dissallows that lock, so to ban it in an mma matchup seems strange. I feel the same way about some of the other rules.
Don't get me wrong, I think the intent of the amateur rules is great and overal it is a good thing they came into existance. I just think they need some work.
I promoted the first amateur MMA event in Nevada on December 29th. I agree that there needs to be a better amateur program instated. We used simular rules from other amateur groups like ISKA, USKBA, ISCF. Now I was told that the amateurs will need the same medical requirements as the professionals. For an amateur to get the MRI and all the tests can cost $1,000. I'm working on a better program to be utilzied in Nevada, let me know any progress made. It would be good to have a unified system of rules for everyone.
As an amateur I cant imagine grappling with shin pads, especially in an actually fight. I dont even do it during training. Is the ref going to let you call a time out when you have to straighten them out or the velcro comes undone?
I really dont hear any amateur fighters calling for any rules changes. If thats who the commission is trying to "protect" then they may want to ask a few what they think.
Very well written letter Jeff. Does anyone know wherre to find names and or contact info for the commission members?